Why can't Lebron "take over"?

[3ball]

.
It's completely legitimate, since Jordan had 9 fifty-point games in playoffs, and 38 forty-point games (1 every 3.8 games).

Otoh, Lebrick has 0 fifty-point games, and only 13 forty-point games (1 every 15.1 games).

I guess Lebron fans have to wait another 15, 20, 30+ games before Lebron takes over again...

[Dray n Klay]

How much did Jordans "take-over" abilities stop him from going 1-9?

[SamuraiSWISH]

Good but not consistently great scorer. He doesn't have a reliable tool box with a diverse scoring skill set via footwork, jumper, post game ... And a totally non cerebral approach to the game from a scoring perspective.

More blunt force trauma. A power forward pg. Thus why he struggles with great on ball defenders like Iggy, Leonard, Butler, Marion and old Jason Kidd.

He can't just take over on that end such as contemporaries like Kobe, KD, Melo, Wade, Curry, Harden. Let alone like the GOAT.

It takes a perfect type of setting for him to be a volume scorer. He's content with these 23 - 10 - 8 type games that suggest in the box score all around dominance, even though the eye test and context suggest otherwise.

[KiiiiNG]

How much did Jordans "take-over" abilities stop him from going 1-9?

Damn

[Foster5k]

2009 Lebron could probably "take over" a game. However, past 2009, those days are over. LeBron's offensive skill set is limited. In 2009, his superb athletic ability could compensate and allow him to seemingly take over a game. Those days are gone. LeBron is in the declining phase of his career.

We all knew LeBron's game wouldn't age well.

[Lebronxrings]

how many times did magic take over? Lebron is an all around player not a ball hog and glory whore.

[3ball]

How much did Jordans "take-over" abilities stop him from going 1-9?

Jordan never missed the playoffs despite not having any all-stars, while Lebron missed the playoffs twice, despite having an all-star Center.

The instant Jordan got just 1 all-star, he went 6/6, whereas Lebron has played with 6 different all-stars in his career, and is only 2/7.

How much did Jordans "take-over" abilities stop him from going 1-9?

Jordan scores nearly 6 more ppg in the playoffs with better efficiency across the board (TS, FG, ORtg) - these things are more valuable, require more energy and control the game better than Lebron's 2.5 defensive rebound edge (with less offensive rebounds) and 1.0 assist edge (with more turnovers).

There's never been a #1 option that scored 6 more ppg in the playoffs with better efficiency that wasn't considered the FAR better player.

How much did Jordans "take-over" abilities stop him from going 1-9?

Lebron has many series and even entire playoff runs where he isn't the team's leading scorer, whereas MJ is the only all-time great to lead his team in scoring for every playoff series of his career, and he did it by an average of 15.4 ppg (let that sink in).

MJ also led his team in passing, just like Lebron - he led the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats, so he assisted on the highest proportion of teammate field goals.

Jordan's goat scoring load, team-leading passing, and best-ever defense at his position is the goat performance and biggest load ever carried.

How much did Jordans "take-over" abilities stop him from going 1-9?

In 2009, Lebron's supporting cast added enough help on top of his 28/8/7 to win 66 games... Compare that to the 1989 Bulls cast, who only added enough help on top of Jordan's 33/8/8 to win 47 games.

The only possible reasons for the Cavs winning 19 more games despite Lebron's inferior production is that Lebron's supporting cast was better and/or they played inferior competition.. Obviously, the 19 additional wins isn't ONLY due to inferior competition - it's due to better supporting cast as well.

[Hey Yo]

He took over in late 1995 only to get reamned by Orlando in the playoffs.

#shortcutringdenied

[SamuraiSWISH]

2009 Lebron could probably "take over" a game. However, past 2009, those days are over. LeBron's offensive skill set is limited. In 2009, his superb athletic ability could compensate and allow him to seemingly take over a game. Those days are gone. LeBron is in the declining phase of his career.

We all knew LeBron's game wouldn't age well.

This. Along with a natural second guessing tentativeness and approach ... Passive aggressive. He's never been the type apart from one game I can think of where he just meanly asserted his will aggresively on another team when it truly mattered. Game 6 vs Boston. The lone outlier to his standard behaviors.

[Hey Yo]

In 2009, Lebron's supporting cast added enough help on top of his 28/8/7 to win 66 games... Compare that to the 1989 Bulls cast, who only added enough help on top of Jordan's 33/8/8 to win 47 games.

The only possible reasons for the Cavs winning 19 more games despite Lebron's inferior production is that Lebron's supporting cast was better and/or they played inferior competition.. Obviously, the 19 additional wins isn't ONLY due to inferior competition - it's due to better supporting cast as well.

It didn't matter who the Bulls added when you have MJ quitting in the biggest postseason game of his career that year

[3ball]

It didn't matter who the Bulls added when you have MJ quitting in the biggest postseason game of his career that year

Jordan faced EVERY POSSESSION double-teaming in 1989 Playoffs, especially against the Pistons' "Jordan Rules" in ECF.. Here's an example from Game 6, starting at the 9 minute mark of 4th quarter - MJ is double-teamed 10 of 13 times he touched the ball to finish out the game.. All 10 double-teams shown are shown in gifs here:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...0&postcount=88

[COLOR="Darkgreen"]In comparison to Jordan being double-teamed 10+ times per QUARTER (shown explicitly in previous paragraph), Lebron was double-teamed a total of 18 times in the ENTIRE 2015 Finals:
[/COLOR]

[COLOR="navy"]When James was double-teamed, the Cavaliers scored 5 points on 2-of-18 shooting[/COLOR]".

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/po...defensive-team

It didn't matter who the Bulls added when you have MJ quitting in the biggest postseason game of his career that year

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Bigger Overachievement[/COLOR]: Jordan's 1989 Playoff Run vs. Lebron's 2007:


[COLOR="DarkRed"]Jordan's Bulls were 47-25 and the 6 seed.[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Navy"]Lebron's Cavs were 50-32 and the 2 seed.[/COLOR]


[COLOR="DarkRed"]1st Round Jordan[/COLOR]: CLE...(#3 seed, 57-25, #2 ranked defense... 40.0.. 6.0.. 8.1.. 51.8% FG)
[COLOR="Navy"]1st Round Lebron[/COLOR]: WSH (#7 seed, 41-41, #28 ranked defense.. 27.0.. 8.5.. 7.5.. 42.5% FG)

[COLOR="DarkRed"]2nd Round Jordan[/COLOR]: NYK (#2 seed, 52-30, #10 ranked defense... 35.5.. 9.5.. 8.3.. 55.0% FG)
[COLOR="Navy"]2nd Round Lebron[/COLOR]: NJN (#6 seed, 41-41, #15 ranked defense... 24.7.. 7.3.. 8.5.. 42.3% FG)

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Conf. Finals Jordan[/COLOR]: DET (#1 seed, 62-30, #3 ranked defense... 30.0.. 5.5.. 6.5.. 46.0% FG)
[COLOR="Navy"]Conf. Finals Lebron[/COLOR]: DET (#1 seed, 53-29, #7 ranked defense... 25.7.. 9.1.. 8.5.. 44.9% FG)

[Straight_Ballin]

how many times did magic take over? Lebron is an all around player not a ball hog and glory whore.

It's worked out so well for him... 2/7 and all....

3ball's life as a fan watching MJ dominate was a greater experience than any lebron stan's experience watching Lebron, and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it except whine and meltdown about how much lebron sucks by comparison.

[Hey Yo]

The alleged goat only takes 8 shots in the biggest game of his postseason career?

No excuses.....dude quit

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...905310DET.html

[JohnMax]

why do people refuse to admit that Lebron James is a flawed athlete?

I'm not even talking about his mentality or lack of competitive spirit. I'm talking pure and simple mechanically he's a flawed athlete, especially for basketball. Lebron James is probably one of the fastest player in the league when he's at full stride in top speed, but his [COLOR="Blue"]acceleration or first step[/COLOR] is pedestrian at best. This kid needed a pick and roll as soon as he got into the league because he never had the blow by first step of a guy like Kobe. Kobe in his 13th season in the league relied less on pick and rolls than Lebron in his first.

Lebron also has a blocky and bulky bodytype similiar to Dwight Howard. Both lack the [COLOR="Blue"]natural fluidity and coordination[/COLOR] of someone like Kobe or MJ. If you watch this kid's footwork when he's in iso, it's literally like he's shuffling them and trying to remember which step to take like he's in Salsa Dancing for beginners. This is why every jumper he takes he seems to be off balance and he's never been able to have a effective pull up game.

I just never have been impressed by his athleticism. He's also a terrible two foot leaper that's why he never wanted to participate in the dunk contest

guy is a bull ruining what was an aesthete game

[SamuraiSWISH]

The alleged goat only takes 8 shots in the biggest game of his postseason career?

No excuses.....dude quit

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...905310DET.html

Was asked to play decoy as a scorer that game.