MJ Post Spin Moves (Video)

[PTB Fan]

[Glide2keva]

Yeah because Joe Dumars, Steve Smith, Gerald Wilkins, Gary Payton, Tim Hardaway, Vinnie Johnson, Larry Nance weren't real basketball players.

[andgar923]

What some people fail to understand is that physically almost every player in the NBA can do most of that stuff true.... but not many can read the defense and react the way MJ did as consistently as he did.

There's been a number of times in which either Wade, Bron and Kobe are found in a similar situation but instead they get trapped. Wade holds the ball, Bron tries to pass and Kobe forces the turnaround. MJ not only sees the double coming, he reacts and finishes before the defense even reacts. Then there's other cases in which MJ simply explodes and the defense is left standing still. Now, to some that may not be that special, but then you have to consider the fact that the defense is focused on stopping that move (amongst many). The MJ defensive playbook usually contains a note that warns players from allowing him to spin baseline because he's dangerous when he does. So the entire defense knows about it and has worked at stopping it, yet he does it time and time again.

So sure, Kobe and others may do this from time to time, but never at the consistent level that MJ did. And Kobe never had the explosiveness that MJ did. Half the time the defenders couldn't react fast enough to foul him!

[bwink23]

now every average / good D1 SG can do those moves..

amazing how times have advanced

Yeah, you see these moves all the time...

[PJR]

Da GOAT MJ da gawd

[bwink23]

now every average / good D1 SG can do those moves..

amazing how times have advanced

The first move on Kobe in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TImzuuahEGU

Old-ass Jordan burns young, athletic Kobe with the baseline spins move for the dunk. Kobe has an interview on Youtube about this play, saying he knew it was coming, but Jordan spun so quickly and hard he couldn't do anything to stop it.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDA64rSFBgc


This is the video where he talks about the spin move Jordan put on him.

[livingby3's]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij2sxK54iQQ

amazing footwork and an amazing thanks to you for sharing an irrelevant video.

[DonDadda59]

The underrated and overlooked aspect of this video is not just the level of athleticism, explosiveness, etc displayed but also Jordan's extremely high bball IQ. Notice that in the first few clips there's a big man coming over to double/help Jordan's defender. MJ sensing this beats the double before it's even set by spinning away from it. He always did that- stayed one step ahead of the defense and never allowed them to trap him.

Players like Lebron and Kobe need to study videos like this, especially LBJ. Whenever that guy plays the better defenses in the league he always just hangs out at the top of the key, dribbling aimlessly and allows traps, doubles, etc to fluster him and that's why he's had some not so great series against good teams. Same with Kobe, only his shot selection due to his not so great IQ is his problem, even when he had the explosiveness to outsmart defenses he usually settled for downright stupid shots. He showed some progress from around 08 until this season where he's regressed terribly.

Lebron's teammate DWade is actually the best today at this aspect of the game. IMO he's better than any perimeter player out there now at beating doubles, reading defenses and it has shown when he flourished against the same defenses Kobe and Bron struggled mightily against.

[OldSchoolBBall]

The underrated and overlooked aspect of this video is not just the level of athleticism, explosiveness, etc displayed but also Jordan's extremely high bball IQ. Notice that in the first few clips there's a big man coming over to double/help Jordan's defender. MJ sensing this beats the double before it's even set by spinning away from it. He always did that- stayed one step ahead of the defense and never allowed them to trap him.

Players like Lebron and Kobe need to study videos like this, especially LBJ. Whenever that guy plays the better defenses in the league he always just hangs out at the top of the key, dribbling aimlessly and allows traps, doubles, etc to fluster him and that's why he's had some not so great series against good teams. Same with Kobe, only his shot selection due to his not so great IQ is his problem, even when he had the explosiveness to outsmart defenses he usually settled for downright stupid shots. He showed some progress from around 08 until this season where he's regressed terribly.

Lebron's teammate DWade is actually the best today at this aspect of the game. IMO he's better than any perimeter player out there now at beating doubles, reading defenses and it has shown when he flourished against the same defenses Kobe and Bron struggled mightily against.

I completely agree and have been saying this for years. Jordan's court awareness and basketball IQ are what truly set him apart from the Kobe's/Bron's of the world. Kobe fans always love to talk about "skill" and how Kobe "can do all the moves MJ could". That may be true (not entirely, but Kobe does in fact possess 95+% of the skills MJ did), but what they fail to realize is that a basketball game isn't the same thing as doing a move or series of fakes/moves alone in a gym. Your read of the defense and response time and the appropriateness of that response is MUCH more important than whether you are, in an ideal world, capable of making a certain move.

The main difference between Kobe and Jordan is not athleticism, or era - it's the fact that Jordan had a higher basketball IQ and far better court awareness (i.e., he saw plays developing more quickly than Kobe). Here's a former poster who is a Laker/Kobe fan explaining it from a topic years ago:

Look how when he gets the ball on the wing or post he doesnt wait around (like kobe), he makes his move immediately and the defender isnt prepared for it.

I think the difference is that jordan decides what he wants to do before he gets the ball, and then gets to the best spot and position to do it, and makes the move immediately afterward, putting the plan into execution. Kobe, which pisses me off, will get the ball, and then only START to decide what to do, whereas mj knew 5 seconds before he even got the rock. And what kobe decides he wants to do, once he gets the ball, he may not have the best position for, but will do it anyway. If something goes wrong with mj's plan, he changes it and does something else. Kobe? Nope, gotta shoot that jumper from that spot on the floor i like, even if there's 5 people there. There's plenty of **** that he pisses me off with. But why harp on it when there's freaking ****loads of people to do that for me already.

He wont learn and might never learn. Jordan makes the game as easy as possible for himself, and makes it look as easy as possible. Kobe looks like he tries to make it as HARD for himself as possible. Jordan looks like he's playing in rec games the way he weaves between everywhere and does whatever he wants. Kobe looks like he's playing in an NBA game. Which isnt bad, since thats what he's really doing. But its not Jordan.

[SwooshReturns]

picc84 was one of the greats, I miss the guy.

One of my favorite split second decision from Jordan in the post is in a playoff game v.s. Orlando in 1995.

MJ catches it near the rim on a cut, back to the basket, has an un-canny sense of two defenders sandwiching him from behind (Grant) a shot blocker, and 6'7 Penny Hardaway from the front.

Reacts in an instant with a great slight of hand, up and under move evading both defenders with what looks like ease.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOMXC9E9-Mw

3:18

Jesus christ that was a nice move. Basketball players know what I'm talking about here.

[macpierce]

I completely agree and have been saying this for years. Jordan's court awareness and basketball IQ are what truly set him apart from the Kobe's/Bron's of the world. Kobe fans always love to talk about "skill" and how Kobe "can do all the moves MJ could". That may be true (not entirely, but Kobe does in fact possess 95+% of the skills MJ did), but what they fail to realize is that a basketball game isn't the same thing as doing a move or series of fakes/moves alone in a gym. Your read of the defense and response time and the appropriateness of that response is MUCH more important than whether you are, in an ideal world, capable of making a certain move.

The main difference between Kobe and Jordan is not athleticism, or era - it's the fact that Jordan had a higher basketball IQ and far better court awareness (i.e., he saw plays developing more quickly than Kobe). Here's a former poster who is a Laker/Kobe fan explaining it from a topic years ago:

That's cute, im not sure why youre singling out kobe instead of wade/lebron.........Oh wait I remember now

[eliteballer]

Lack of zone and less sophisticated defenses make things a lot easier to make "quick" decisions. How often is Kobe on an island with his defender like Jordan was?

[stallionaire]

now every average / good D1 SG can do those moves..

amazing how times have advanced

smh LMFAO

[SwooshReturns]

Lebron's teammate DWade is actually the best today at this aspect of the game. IMO he's better than any perimeter player out there now at beating doubles, reading defenses and it has shown when he flourished against the same defenses Kobe and Bron struggled mightily against.

Well that and he's just more explosive off the dribble, more versatility to his offensive game and keeps defenders on their toes. You know Kobe is in love with his jumper, so he's pulling up.

This is what enables Wade to be the best player against elite defenses in the NBA. He's by far and away the best. The stats even prove it.

From 2005 - 2010 LeBron, and Kobe statistically feasted on inferior competition. Wade sometimes played down to the competition, but ALWAYS raised his game against superior competition.

[SwooshReturns]

Lack of zone and less sophisticated defenses make things a lot easier to make "quick" decisions. How often is Kobe on an island with his defender like Jordan was?

Your Laker girl status knows no bounds, does it?



We're talking about Jordan facing doubles and still reacting quicker.

You act like teams didn't try to zone up on MJ's drives, and send 2 or 3 defenders at him.

The players of the last decade aren't the first players to see waves of defenders thrown at them to try and stop them.

And the reason why teams usually had to throw a smaller quicker defender at Jordan, as opposed to the longer / slower of foot ones that bother Kobe and HIS tendancies (IE settling for jumpers), the smaller player had to try and negate MJ's biggest impact which was his dribble penetration.

MJ was just way too quick for anyone from 6'5 - 6'9 ... you had to put PG or Comob Guards on him to pray to stop him from beasting and getting into the lane.