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High School Varsity 6th Man
2/5
Can someone please explain why this is seen a such a bad thing. Shouldnt it be a good thing that you can consistently take your team to the finals. i swear people give lebron more flack for going 2/5 than chris paul/melo type players for never even making it. Congratulate this guy for consistently making his team a contender
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Re: 2/5
It isn't a bad thing. ISH just has this retarded mentality that it's better to not make the finals than lose in them. All part of the Kobe/LeBron retards' constant back and forth.
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NBA rookie of the year
Re: 2/5
Originally Posted by kells333
Can someone please explain why this is seen a such a bad thing. Shouldnt it be a good thing that you can consistently take your team to the finals. i swear people give lebron more flack for going 2/5 than chris paul/melo type players for never even making it. Congratulate this guy for consistently making his team a contender
Yes, but there's something that separates the greats from the greatest. The greatest will win at the most important moments in his career and the NBA Finals is the most important part of any NBA players career. Jordan has never lost in the Finals. Lebron is a on a level to where he's compared to some of the greats, but he's missed a ton of opportunities already in his career.
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its a bad thing because 90% of the time to make the top 10 all time you need a winning finals record
russell 11 for 12
jordan 6 for 6
kareem 6 for 10
magic 5 for 9
kobe 5 for 7
duncan 5 for 6
shaq 4 for 6
bird 3 for 5
hakeem 2 for 3
wilt 2 for 5 ( the only guy in the top 10 with a losing finals record. and its only due to him dominating the record books )
lebrons numbers are good but he aint dominating any records as far as i can see.
asside from that. the way he rigged championship teams together TWICE via colluding and tampering since the 2010 offseason also plays into how pathetic 2 for 5 is
considering he predicted 8 championships but ended up choking 2 ( should be 3 ) away
this is why its a "bad thing"
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Embiid > Jokic
Re: 2/5
Originally Posted by kennethgriffin
its a bad thing because 90% of the time to make the top 10 all time you need a winning finals record
russell 11 for 12
jordan 6 for 6
kareem 6 for 10
magic 5 for 9
kobe 5 for 7
duncan 5 for 6
shaq 4 for 6
bird 3 for 5
hakeem 2 for 3
wilt 2 for 5 ( the only guy in the top 10 with a losing finals record. and its only due to him dominating the record books )
lebrons numbers are good but he aint dominating any records as far as i can see.
asside from that. the way he rigged championship teams together TWICE via colluding and tampering since the 2010 offseason also plays into how pathetic 2 for 5 is
considering he predicted 8 championships but ended up choking 2 ( should be 3 ) away
this is why its a "bad thing"
So Hakeem's 2/3, with those 2 titles coming with Jordan retired are more legitimate to you than LeBron's? I'd love to see how you'd spin LeBron's titles if Durant retired, let alone the GOAT
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High School Varsity 6th Man
Re: 2/5
Originally Posted by 04mzwach
Yes, but there's something that separates the greats from the greatest. The greatest will win at the most important moments in his career and the NBA Finals is the most important part of any NBA players career. Jordan has never lost in the Finals. Lebron is a on a level to where he's compared to some of the greats, but he's missed a ton of opportunities already in his career.
If thats the logic then isnt your elimination game in the first round just as important its the most important game of your season and you lost it shouldnt be a plus on your resume
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High School Varsity 6th Man
Re: 2/5
Originally Posted by kennethgriffin
its a bad thing because 90% of the time to make the top 10 all time you need a winning finals record
russell 11 for 12
jordan 6 for 6
kareem 6 for 10
magic 5 for 9
kobe 5 for 7
duncan 5 for 6
shaq 4 for 6
bird 3 for 5
hakeem 2 for 3
wilt 2 for 5 ( the only guy in the top 10 with a losing finals record. and its only due to him dominating the record books )
lebrons numbers are good but he aint dominating any records as far as i can see.
asside from that. the way he rigged championship teams together TWICE via colluding and tampering since the 2010 offseason also plays into how pathetic 2 for 5 is
considering he predicted 8 championships but ended up choking 2 ( should be 3 ) away
this is why its a "bad thing"
Colluding and tampering the league for wanting to play/work with his friends? Stop it. He was only there 4 years it wasnt possible to win 8 rings please dont take that serious
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Re: 2/5
Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
So Hakeem's 2/3, with those 2 titles coming with Jordan retired are more legitimate to you than LeBron's? I'd love to see how you'd spin LeBron's titles if Durant retired, let alone the GOAT
well jordan was banned unofficially by stern
and paul was veto'd by stern causing kobes achilles injury and costing lakers a future with howard aswell
so stern and unfortunate incidents altered reality in order for hakeem and bron to win titles
so?
i look at it like this
hakeem 94 = no collude, no ring chasing, no other star, real season, no bail out
hakeem 95 = no collude, no ring chasing, 1 other former star at the end of his career, real season, no bail out
lebron 12 = collude, ring chased, 2 other stars, fake season lockout
lebron 13 = collude, ring chased, 2 other stars, bail out by former star at the end of his career
its quite obvious hakeems titles are way better
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NBA rookie of the year
Re: 2/5
Originally Posted by kells333
If thats the logic then isnt your elimination game in the first round just as important its the most important game of your season and you lost it shouldnt be a plus on your resume
Making it to the finals is better than making it to the 2nd round if that's what you mean. Elimination games are important, but of course...making it further always looks better than not making it any further. The Finals appearance is going to show up better on Bron's resume than just making the 2nd round. If his performance was extra suspect then it won't look good. Times where he failed to show up when it mattered will be what we debate about as we compare his case against several other greats.
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its obvious kobe/paul/gasol/bynum or kobe/paul/gasol/howard win the titles in 2012 and 2013
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Embiid > Jokic
Re: 2/5
Originally Posted by kennethgriffin
well jordan was banned unofficially by stern
and paul was veto'd by stern causing kobes achilles injury and costing lakers a future with howard aswell
so stern and unfortunate incidents altered reality in order for hakeem and bron to win titles
so?
i look at it like this
hakeem 94 = no collude, no ring chasing, no other star, real season, no bail out
hakeem 95 = no collude, no ring chasing, 1 other former star at the end of his career, real season, no bail out
lebron 12 = collude, ring chased, 2 other stars, fake season lockout
lebron 13 = collude, ring chased, 2 other stars, bail out by former star at the end of his career
its quite obvious hakeems titles are way better
Drexler in the '95 playoffs was EASILY better than Wade was in the '13 playoffs, while Horry outperformed Bosh in the playoffs as well
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Re: 2/5
Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
Drexler in the '95 playoffs was EASILY better than Wade was in the '13 playoffs, while Horry outperformed Bosh in the playoffs as well
performance and actual status are completely different
the 95 rockets were a 2 man team while wade was basically having to sacrifice allot.
its obvious wade was better than his numbers portrayed him to be.
its like the 60s celtics. yeah they had legends averaging well under what they could have been cause the team was deep
the heat didnt call allot of plays for wade cause miami was rigged with 4 stars and other good players
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first of all it's the fkin eastern conference
at least capitalize on the less brutal playoff conference.
ECF teams are less tired than the ones coming out of the west.
2nd of all, winning takes intangible skills that aren't recorded on a stat sheet
kobe didnt avg 30ppg in the finals but he knew what plays to call, and he knew how to maximize his teammates
let me know when lebron can do that
go rewatch the 2012 finals, ill give him credit for winning a ring but it was basically him and dwade going through isolation plays and screens against a very inexperienced thunder squad
that's why you have all time legends downplaying lebron's hype
he's a good player but not as good as some of you think--he still has a lot to prove, and if he can win a few more rings with a leadership role no one is going to bitch about it
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High School Varsity 6th Man
Re: 2/5
Originally Posted by kennethgriffin
well jordan was banned unofficially by stern
and paul was veto'd by stern causing kobes achilles injury and costing lakers a future with howard aswell
so stern and unfortunate incidents altered reality in order for hakeem and bron to win titles
so?
i look at it like this
hakeem 94 = no collude, no ring chasing, no other star, real season, no bail out
hakeem 95 = no collude, no ring chasing, 1 other former star at the end of his career, real season, no bail out
lebron 12 = collude, ring chased, 2 other stars, fake season lockout
lebron 13 = collude, ring chased, 2 other stars, bail out by former star at the end of his career
its quite obvious hakeems titles are way better
Fake season lockout? Can we have a real bball discussion or you just gonna be a dumbass
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High School Varsity 6th Man
Re: 2/5
Originally Posted by 04mzwach
Making it to the finals is better than making it to the 2nd round if that's what you mean. Elimination games are important, but of course...making it further always looks better than not making it any further. The Finals appearance is going to show up better on Bron's resume than just making the 2nd round. If his performance was extra suspect then it won't look good. Times where he failed to show up when it mattered will be what we debate about as we compare his case against several other greats.
If it is better than its shouldnt be a negative (2/5) it should be good for bron for making 5 finals
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