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    Default Re: Which Style of Player Is Hardest To Defend?

    Quote Originally Posted by D-Wade316
    The "Ground & Pounder". Shaq was like a fvcking tank. No one can stop him, literally.
    Nailed it ... a low block high percentage big man , wins championships more so than not.

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    Default Re: Which Style of Player Is Hardest To Defend?

    Depends on what you mean by defend. You CAN'T defend Dirk as he can simply shoot over you. However, you can be the greatest shooter in the world and miss shots. So with Dirk, the only person that stops Dirk Nowitzki is Dirk Nowitzki. And seeing how he's been to "only" two finals and has won "only" one championship, he's either shot himself out of games or has not been aggressive enough in games. Same thing can be said about Shaq. He's pretty much unstoppable when you think about (especially the way he has been officiated, same with Tim Duncan. At times they've been allowed to just knock guys over). However, despite his superior size,strength, athleticism, and efficiency, he won 4 titles in his 18 seasons... 22%. You can argue he didn't get the ball enough (especially in Pistons Finals), however, you could also argue that he (and anyone for that matter) doesn't have the stamina to put up significantly more shots without taking a hit in efficiency. You can't put play 48 minutes a game and put up 50 shots a game, and if you did you'd get murdered at the other end.

    So what I'm trying to say is both the "ground and pound" and "modern big man" are "unstoppable" in the only sense a player is "unstoppable" in the NBA. In my estimation they're the two hardest to defend.

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    Dirk shoots 47% and doesn't really cause too many shifts in the D and now he's more unstoppable than D. Wade?

    The correct answer is the penetrator.

    Ground and pound players can be doubled easily and require good post passers.

    A great penetrator is impossible to stop, they get fouls, pass off to open teammates, and score in bunches.

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    Default Re: Which Style of Player Is Hardest To Defend?

    Quote Originally Posted by Go Getter
    Ground and pound players can be doubled easily and require good post passers.
    Are you aware of the benefits to the team if your post played must be doubled?

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    Default Re: Which Style of Player Is Hardest To Defend?

    I bigman who can score and pass from the post is by far the most difficult player to defend in basketball, even with all the rule changes the NBA has implemented to aid perimeter players.

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    Default Re: Which Style of Player Is Hardest To Defend?

    As much as people talk about Shaq's unstoppable scoring ability, I feel like his passing ability is overlooked. If the NBA kept a hockey assist statistic, Shaq would have been towards the top his entire career.

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    Default Re: Which Style of Player Is Hardest To Defend?

    Quote Originally Posted by G-train
    Are you aware of the benefits to the team if your post played must be doubled?
    I am. However, there are no post players out there really. And with today's leniency on flopping it's all but neutralized power post players.

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    Default Re: Which Style of Player Is Hardest To Defend?

    The "Penetrator" is probably the easiest to defend if your not Mo Williams or Derrick Rose.

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    Default Re: Which Style of Player Is Hardest To Defend?

    As if anyone here has any personal experience playing defense and could thus tell you from first-hand experience what type of player is hardest to guard.


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    Barkley was the Biggest Missmatch Problem Ever in the Mid Range and Post Region

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    Default Re: Which Style of Player Is Hardest To Defend?

    Quote Originally Posted by Go Getter
    Dirk shoots 47% and doesn't really cause too many shifts in the D and now he's more unstoppable than D. Wade?

    The correct answer is the penetrator.

    Ground and pound players can be doubled easily and require good post passers.

    A great penetrator is impossible to stop, they get fouls, pass off to open teammates, and score in bunches.
    Closer to 48% for his career and 52% last season. Doesn't cause too many shifts on D, are you kidding? He's constantly double-teamed in both the high and low post. He also is a career 38% from 3 and 88% from the stripe. Oh, and if you dare bite on a pump fake he can put it on the floor. If you want to stop Dwayne Wade, stay in front of him because he can't shoot.

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    Default Re: Which Style of Player Is Hardest To Defend?

    Quote Originally Posted by fos
    Closer to 48% for his career and 52% last season. Doesn't cause too many shifts on D, are you kidding? He's constantly double-teamed in both the high and low post. He also is a career 38% from 3 and 88% from the stripe. Oh, and if you dare bite on a pump fake he can put it on the floor. If you want to stop Dwayne Wade, stay in front of him because he can't shoot.

    1. Like it's just that simple to stay in front of D. Wade and like he doesn't have just as many if not more game winners from distance than Dirk.

    2. HE CAN put it on the floor, but c'mon now...you just acted like it was SO easy to guard Wade off the dribble then made Dirk seem like a beast off the bounce

    3. Dirk is not doubled nearly as much as other dominant 7-footers.

    4. 41% in the finals.

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    Default Re: Which Style of Player Is Hardest To Defend?

    Quote Originally Posted by Go Getter
    1. Like it's just that simple to stay in front of D. Wade and like he doesn't have just as many if not more game winners from distance than Dirk.

    2. HE CAN put it on the floor, but c'mon now...you just acted like it was SO easy to guard Wade off the dribble then made Dirk seem like a beast off the bounce

    3. Dirk is not doubled nearly as much as other dominant 7-footers.

    4. 41% in the finals.
    1. It's not easy to stay in front of him, but the point is IF you do, he's limited offensively. Dude can't shoot. Career 29% from 3 and 77% from the line.

    2. The point is Dirk can beat you in more ways. He can post you up, shoot over you, hit the 3 in transition, and take you off the dribble.

    3. Dirk is doubled plenty. All things being equal Dirk would be doubled less because he also has a perimeter game. It's hard and stupid to double him from the elbow or high post.

    4. And a Championship and Finals MVP against a team with 3 stars. Also, if you watched the last game where he went 9/27, so many of them rattled out. What was he 1/12 in the first half? Easy buckets. Let's not forget Wade shot for 37.5% in an elimination game in the Finals, you know, the most important game in your life?

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    Default Re: Which Style of Player Is Hardest To Defend?

    Quote Originally Posted by Go Getter
    Dirk shoots 47% and doesn't really cause too many shifts in the D and now he's more unstoppable than D. Wade?

    The correct answer is the penetrator.

    Ground and pound players can be doubled easily and require good post passers.

    A great penetrator is impossible to stop, they get fouls, pass off to open teammates, and score in bunches.
    You also always claim that Dirk has no post-up game.

    From Tom Haberstroh:

    47 players had at least 150 post-up plays last season. Best efficiency there? Dirk Nowitzki. Worst? Darko Milicic.

    Dirk had 404 post-up plays, scored 464 pts (1.15 AVG). Darko had 411 post-up plays, scored 270 pts (0.66). #dirkvsdarko

    Too lazy to research the amount of double teams Dirk had faced this past postseason. But it becomes obvious time and time again that you are clearly biased against him.

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    Default Re: Which Style of Player Is Hardest To Defend?

    Quote Originally Posted by fos
    1. It's not easy to stay in front of him, but the point is IF you do, he's limited offensively. Dude can't shoot. Career 29% from 3 and 77% from the line.

    2. The point is Dirk can beat you in more ways. He can post you up, shoot over you, hit the 3 in transition, and take you off the dribble.

    3. Dirk is doubled plenty. All things being equal Dirk would be doubled less because he also has a perimeter game. It's hard and stupid to double him from the elbow or high post.

    4. And a Championship and Finals MVP against a team with 3 stars. Also, if you watched the last game where he went 9/27, so many of them rattled out. What was he 1/12 in the first half? Easy buckets. Let's not forget Wade shot for 37.5% in an elimination game in the Finals, you know, the most important game in your life?
    na hes a rose fanboy so expect him to defend players with similar playing style as him. Its already obvious that big men wins in this league while wade needed 30+ fts just to get his only ring yet he continues to think wade/rose are better than dirk.

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