What if Kobe never existed?

[Wade's Rings]

Does Shaq stay ringless? What happens to Gasol?

[ISHGoat]

They would still win their rings, but one thing does change: one less white girl raped in colorado

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Kobe honestly wasnt all that in 2000. Replace him w/ Eddie Jones who they wouldnt have traded in this scenario and they win it all. Honestly 2000 Shaq is the GOAT have an avg SG (Eddie Jones was a star) and he could prolly take em to the title that season

outside of that he doesnt win nothin unless LA signed a big FA.

[mehyaM24]

shaq would have multiple rings, just because how much of a dominant force he was.

was the impact king from 1998-2005, and even in 2006, arguably THE driving force to miami winning a ring:

Everything starts with dealing with Shaquille," Dallas coach Avery Johnson says.

O'Neal has not only played smartly and efficiently but at times has been as dominant as ever. Despite double-teams, sometimes when he doesn't have the ball, he is averaging 14.6 points, 9.8 rebounds and 3.2 assists and shooting 66.7%.

"Everyone knows that he's 34 years old and he's not the young Shaq-be-nimble, Shaq-be-quick, but we know we wouldn't be at this point without him,"Wade says. "He's the biggest part of what we have here in Miami."

^^^^^ impact that goes beyond raw stats - so again, by the evidence and concrete data, i would imagine you could plug in any all-star caliber sg, and shaq would still get them rings.

[jimmybball]

Shaq still wins rings. Just a matter of which years they put together a roster to do it, so the count is more unknown. Somebody would have joined him though.

Pau is a bigger question mark. Who else was in the running for him when he wanted out of Memphis?

[imnew09]

Does Shaq stay ringless? What happens to Gasol?

And you name yourself Wade's ring
you failed just like your dad when he tried to pull out

[kennethgriffin]

shaq before getting elite kobe bryant

1993 - lottery
1994 - swept by indiana 0-3
1995 - swept by rockets 0-4
1996 - swept by bulls 0-4
1997 - lost to jazz 1-4
1998 - swept by jazz 0-4
1999 - swept by spurs 0-4


after getting elite kobe bryant

2000 - kobe saves game 7 WCF down 15 in 4th quarter - with 25 points, 11 rebounds, 7 assists, 4 blocks ( shaq would have choked away his first championship )
2001 - kobe averages 29/7/6 ( 33/7/6 through first 3 rounds ) shaq would have choked away another possible title without kobe
2002 - kobe averaged 27/6/5 and dominates the west again. shaq shows up just for the easy finals yet again


its safe to say without kobe shaq would never have accomplished anything in LA

[ISHGoat]

shaq before getting elite kobe bryant

1993 - lottery
1994 - swept by indiana 0-3
1995 - swept by rockets 0-4
1996 - swept by bulls 0-4
1997 - lost to jazz 1-4
1998 - swept by jazz 0-4
1999 - swept by spurs 0-4


after getting elite kobe bryant

2000 - kobe saves game 7 WCF down 15 in 4th quarter - with 25 points, 11 rebounds, 7 assists, 4 blocks ( shaq would have choked away his first championship )
2001 - kobe averages 29/7/6 ( 33/7/6 through first 3 rounds ) shaq would have choked away another possible title without kobe
2002 - kobe averaged 27/6/5 and dominates the west again. shaq shows up just for the easy finals yet again


its safe to say without kobe shaq would never have accomplished anything in LA

[G0ATbe]

Shaq would still collude with some other star and win once. Pau would remain ringless

[ISHGoat]

[kennethgriffin]

what about facts dont you understand?

shaq was a choker without an elite all nba level kobe.. i posted a decade worth of proof

portland would easly have won game 7 of the WCF if kobe wasnt there

they went up 15 in the 4th quarter.


take away kobes 25/11/7/4 and no chance in hell does shaq win that title

portland ends up 2000 nba champions


kobes 2001 run was historic for a non finals mvp. probably the best ever



what dont you understand about evidence?

[kennethgriffin]

so all kobe needed to win was an adequate 2nd option ranked top 97th all time


nobody wins without help. kobe just needed a bare minimum

shaq needed a top 5-7 all time nba legend


and wade playing like one

[ISHGoat]

what about facts dont you understand?

shaq was a choker without an elite all nba level kobe.. i posted a decade worth of proof

portland would easly have won game 7 of the WCF if kobe wasnt there

they went up 15 in the 4th quarter.


take away kobes 25/11/7/4 and no chance in hell does shaq win that title

portland ends up 2000 nba champions


kobes 2001 run was historic for a non finals mvp. probably the best ever



what dont you understand about evidence?

[kennethgriffin]

kobe without shaq

3 nba finals
2 nba titles
2 nba finals mvps
1 nba mvp
2 scoring titles
8 first team all nba's
6 first team all defense

best team mate = top 97th all time pau gasol



shaq without kobe

2 nba finals
1 nba title
0 nba finals mvps
0 nba mvp's
1 scoring title
2 first team all nba's
0 first team all defense ( 0 with kobe anyway )

best team mates = top 11-12 all time lebron james, top 25 all time dwyane wade, top 25 all time garnett, top 35 all time steve nash, top 35 all time paul pierce, top 40 all time ray allen, 1st team all nba penny hardaway

[kennethgriffin]

so you cant dispute anything and keep spamming smileys as a response. only way i'd expect you to reply honestly. you lack creativity/intelligence