Dirk or LeBron all time?

[kawhileonard2]

Nobody actually thinks Dirk was better than Lebron.

Sure we do as he beat Lebron without HCA and won a title before Lebron.

[Full Court]

Nobody actually thinks Dirk was better than Lebron.

He did knock Bronie forever out of the GOAT discussion though.

[ShawkFactory]

Nobody actually thinks Dirk was better than Lebron.

Yea I know I was just speaking more about the arguments than the actual conclusion. Completely separating Dirk and Lebron from the equation, people tend to use tiny examples that they remember to make points about a picture that is much larger.

[Nike D'Antoni]

"To me, he's still the best player I've ever played against in my career… I think he respected me almost more when I said, 'Listen, I've been here so long. I want to finish my career here.'"

Dirk Nowitzki on Kobe Bryant recruiting him to join the Lakers

https://twitter.com/i/status/1649218836254584832

Dirk Nowitzki says winning MVP after losing in the first round was one of the most embarrassing moments of his career

https://twitter.com/i/status/1648766480228442166


“I always say Michael Jordan is the GOAT,” Nowitzki said. “But if James really surpasses Kareem Abdul-Jabbar with the scoring record, I’m sort of running out of arguments for Michael.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6P1...nnel=NBAACTION

[Nike D'Antoni]

Dirk Nowitzki Walking into Manila

https://twitter.com/i/status/1652320867567714306

Lebron23 you were there?

[tpols]

Nobody actually thinks Dirk was better than Lebron

As we watched end prime dirk destroy prime lebron with less help.



Yup... Dirk has no chance at being better than Lebron. Only destroyed him H2H.

Guess that didn't happen.

[ShawkFactory]

As we watched end prime dirk destroy prime lebron with less help.



Yup... Dirk has no chance at being better than Lebron. Only destroyed him H2H.

Guess that didn't happen.

So Dirk was better than Lebron.

[SouBeachTalents]

So Dirk was better than Lebron.

Yes. 6 game sample sizes tell us more than 20 year careers,

[tpols]

So Dirk was better than Lebron.

What blows my mind is we can see two guys play prime for prime both superstars... one kills the other... and then people say the guy who got destroyed was easily better.

I think Dirk would've ran the table with the superstar talent Lebron has played with. Can you imagine Dirk joining up with prime Dwayne Wade or AD? He made two finals and was a hair away from winning two titles with Jason Terry as his best mate.

Lebron isn't winning with that. I'm almost certain neither is Kobe.

Dirk is on both their levels, he just didn't have the polarizing fame they had.

[SouBeachTalents]

What blows my mind is we can see two guys play prime for prime both superstars... one kills the other... and then people say the guy who got destroyed was easily better.

I think Dirk would've ran the table with the superstar talent Lebron has played with. Can you imagine Dirk joining up with prime Dwayne Wade or AD? He made two finals and was a hair away from winning two titles with Jason Terry as his best mate.

Lebron isn't winning with that. I'm almost certain neither is Kobe.

Dirk is on both their levels, he just didn't have the polarizing fame they had.

Baron Davis destroyed Dirk as the 8 seed during Dirk's MVP season. Are we reaching the same conclusion that he's on Dirk's level based off this.

I strongly suspect you will be moving the goal posts on this one

[tpols]

Baron Davis destroyed Dirk as the 8 seed during Dirk's MVP season. Are we reaching the same conclusion that he's on Dirk's level based off this.

I strongly suspect you will be moving the goal posts on this one

The difference is Baron Davis wasn't a superstar and that was just a 1st round win. He never did anything outside it.

Superstar vs Superstar.

If I wanted I could show Jason terry outplayed lebron in a series but I wouldn't ever claim he was an overall better player because he was an ancillary player. A fluke.

Dirk wasn't a fluke.

[Full Court]

I guess the Bronie fluffers couldn't quite muster up enough alts to stack this poll.

Probably creating new ones as we speak.

[ShawkFactory]

What blows my mind is we can see two guys play prime for prime both superstars... one kills the other... and then people say the guy who got destroyed was easily better.

I think Dirk would've ran the table with the superstar talent Lebron has played with. Can you imagine Dirk joining up with prime Dwayne Wade or AD? He made two finals and was a hair away from winning two titles with Jason Terry as his best mate.

Lebron isn't winning with that. I'm almost certain neither is Kobe.

Dirk is on both their levels, he just didn't have the polarizing fame they had.

The difference between guys like Dirk and Barkley and Lebron and Magic or Bird and Kobe or evening Isiah and Robinson are minute when you actually play the games. Any of them could outplay any of the other in a given game or series.

The consistent sustained excellence is what separates some from the others. Plus a little luck.

[DMAVS41]

The difference between guys like Dirk and Barkley and Lebron and Magic or Bird and Kobe or evening Isiah and Robinson are minute when you actually play the games. Any of them could outplay any of the other in a given game or series.

The consistent sustained excellence is what separates some from the others. Plus a little luck.

Well said.

The only thing I'd add is that I don't think Thomas or Robinson, based on what my opinion of course, could lead a team to the title like the 11 Mavs...so while they could definitely outplay Dirk or any of those guys for a game or series...I don't think they were capable of doing something as impressive as Duncan in 03 or Hakeem in 94 style thing. I don't think Thomas could win a title with the 09 Lakers...etc.

So things like that...combined with the longevity you point out...go a long way for me in terms of tie breaking.

[Full Court]

The difference between guys like Dirk and Barkley and Lebron and Magic or Bird and Kobe or evening Isiah and Robinson are minute when you actually play the games. Any of them could outplay any of the other in a given game or series.

The consistent sustained excellence is what separates some from the others. Plus a little luck.

Or in Lebron's case, more help than any other superstar (except for Kobe).