Who's a better player Wade or CP3?

[DMAVS41]

I know you're an 18 year old kid from Germany, who basically knows nothing about basketball outside riding LeBron.

Wade is ~20 all-time. CP3 isn't even top 60 all-time. Unless you consider CP3 to be ranked ~35-40 (which is beyond retarded), Wade >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CP3.

Chris Paul is absolutely one of the 60 best players of all time imo.

I completely agree that Wade is not only the better player, but had a much better career...and certainly a more dominant force at his best, but do you actually believe CP3 has no claim to being top 60?

[aj1987]

Should I "lmao" at you living in the US, but being Indian? Focus on the topic, you're slow for whatever age you are, I don't even need to name it, you're seemingly proud of it, but I'm telling you, 18 is better

What the **** are you even talking about, you retarded Nazi? Do they even teach English there?

Paul is top 40, have you taken a look at the guys 'down there' ?

Yeah, I have. I'm not going to post an entire list right now, so copy-pasting it from another thread.

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Tim Duncan
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
11. Lebron James
12. Moses Malone
13. Oscar Robertson
14. Jerry West
15. Julius Erving
16. Kevin Garnett
17. Karl Malone
18. Charles Barkley
19. Elgin Baylor
20. Bob Pettit
21. John Havlicek
22. Dirk Nowitzki
23. George Mikan
24. David Robinson
25. Isiah Thomas
26. Bob Cousy
27. Scottie Pippen
28. Rick Barry
29. Dwyane Wade
30. Willis Reed
31. Patrick Ewing
32. John Stockton
33. Walt Frazier
34. Clyde Drexler
35. Steve Nash
36. Allen Iverson
37. Dave Cowens
38. Dolph Schayes
39. Bill Walton
40. Kevin McHale
41. Jason Kidd
42. Wes Unseld
43. Gary Payton
44. Elvin Hayes
45. Paul Arizin
46. Bob McAdoo
47. Dominique Wilkins
48. George Gervin
49. Paul Pierce
50. Dennis Rodman
51. Dwight Howard
52. James Worthy
53. Nate Thurmond
54. Ray Allen
55. Sam Jones
56. Kevin Durant
57. Tiny Archibald

I know it's from '12, but CP3 literally did nothing to be ranked higher.

He's top 40 because he's better than players like Dominique Wilkins, Elvin Hayes, James Worthy, Jason Kidd, Jerry Lucas, Allen Iverson, Tiny Archibald, Dave Cowens, Robert Parish... those guys are common mentions in the top 50 range, you want me to believe Paul isn't better than them?

You do know that some of them are MVP's, FMVP's, and a couple carried their teams to the Finals as well, right?

Revise your shit, Indian.

Stick to sucking Dirk and LeBron's D, Kraut.

[aj1987]

Chris Paul is absolutely one of the 60 best players of all time imo.

I completely agree that Wade is not only the better player, but had a much better career...and certainly a more dominant force at his best, but do you actually believe CP3 has no claim to being top 60?

~50-60 all-time. Probably ~55-60.

[HoopologyPhD]

I'll take Wade now and clearly Wade is better all time.

Both are on the athletic decline, neither is a great outside shooter, the only aspect of the game CP3 is better at is intangibles/playmaking which don't really matter because his teams haven't won anything.

[feyki]

Cp3 is an underrated player , like before 2011 Dirk(Bill Simmons ranked Dirk around 50 at 2010 , and he said Dirk could in the pantheon at after 2011 and he argued with Dirk's 2006 performances , laughable) .

Cp3 is 35-45 class tier player at my all time list . I guess , i ranked him at 43 ; above Reggie , under Pippen .

I think , he will be around between 20-30 all time player at his career over .

[Wade's Rings]

I'll take Wade now and clearly Wade is better all time.

Both are on the athletic decline, neither is a great outside shooter

Both are great from midrange.

the only aspect of the game CP3 is better at is intangibles/playmaking which don't really matter because his teams haven't won anything.

If he hasn't won how are his intangibles better?

[GrapeApe]

Career: Paul has the longevity, Wade has the trophies.
Peak: Wade by a slim margin.

Huh? Wade is in his 13th season and Paul is in his 11th and they're currently playing at a similar level. Wade's longevity is actually turning out to be pretty solid. At 33/34 years old he's still among the top SG's in the league. His game has aged much better than most had anticipated. Yes he's has had his share of injuries, but so has Paul. If Wade's body holds up (knock on wood) he still has a couple more solid all-star seasons left in him. If he's an all-star next year at 35 (to cap off 13 straight appearances), that would be outstanding longevity for a guard by ANY standards. Even right now at 11 consecutive is pretty damn good.

Only a handful of guards in history have made 11 straight all-star appearances.

[Wade's Rings]

Huh? Wade is in his 13th season and Paul is in his 11th and they're currently playing at a similar level. Wade's longevity is actually turning out to be pretty solid. At 33/34 years old he's still among the top SG's in the league. His game has aged much better than most had anticipated. Yes he's has had his share of injuries, but so has Paul. If Wade's body holds up (knock on wood) he still has a couple more solid all-star seasons left in him. If he's an all-star next year at 35 (to cap off 13 straight appearances), that would be outstanding longevity for a guard by ANY standards. Even right now at 11 consecutive appearances is pretty damn good.

I was thinking about this the other day. His longevity isn't up there with guys like Kobe, Bron, etc...but his longevity is going to be pretty good if he can still play at all-star level for another year or 2 after this year.

[ArbitraryWater]

What the **** are you even talking about, you retarded Nazi? Do they even teach English there?


Yeah, I have. I'm not going to post an entire list right now, so copy-pasting it from another thread.

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Tim Duncan
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
11. Lebron James
12. Moses Malone
13. Oscar Robertson
14. Jerry West
15. Julius Erving
16. Kevin Garnett
17. Karl Malone
18. Charles Barkley
19. Elgin Baylor
20. Bob Pettit
21. John Havlicek
22. Dirk Nowitzki
23. George Mikan
24. David Robinson
25. Isiah Thomas
26. Bob Cousy
27. Scottie Pippen
28. Rick Barry
29. Dwyane Wade
30. Willis Reed
31. Patrick Ewing
32. John Stockton
33. Walt Frazier
34. Clyde Drexler
35. Steve Nash
36. Allen Iverson
37. Dave Cowens
38. Dolph Schayes
39. Bill Walton
40. Kevin McHale
41. Jason Kidd
42. Wes Unseld
43. Gary Payton
44. Elvin Hayes
45. Paul Arizin
46. Bob McAdoo
47. Dominique Wilkins
48. George Gervin
49. Paul Pierce
50. Dennis Rodman
51. Dwight Howard
52. James Worthy
53. Nate Thurmond
54. Ray Allen
55. Sam Jones
56. Kevin Durant
57. Tiny Archibald

I know it's from '12, but CP3 literally did nothing to be ranked higher.


You do know that some of them are MVP's, FMVP's, and a couple carried their teams to the Finals as well, right?




Stick to sucking Dirk and LeBron's D, Kraut.

Rambling and fuming... all you do, when it comes to substance... crickets.

But credit for you to losing your cool on only the 3rd post in, this time

You're gonna hand off some shit and straight tell me Paul Pierce, Rodman, McAdoo, Howard, Schayes, Gervin, PAUL ARIZIN, BILL WALTON, KEVIN MCHALE, etc etc etc

are better, more impactful players than Chris ****ing Paul? Paul since 12 has added 2-3 more seasons as top PG and All-NBA teamer, leading the league in clutch stats and/or mid-range, on high winning teams in good conferences... nowhere does that not rank you higher, only an Idiot would think otherwise.

As I said, revise your shit, Indian

[red1]

Overall? Wade with ease.

[GrapeApe]

I was thinking about this the other day. His longevity isn't up there with guys like Kobe, Bron, etc...but his longevity is going to be pretty good if he can still play at all-star level for another year or 2 after this year.

Yep, and like I mentioned, even as of right now his longevity is solid. Last season at 33 years old he made his 11th consecutive all-star appearance and averaged 22/5/4/2 on 47% with a 22 PER. That puts him in pretty exclusive company in terms of guards his age. Again, his game is aging very well and he's doing it with intelligence and cerebral play. I remember always hearing that he'd be unable to play at a high level without elite athletic ability, and that has proven not to be the case. He's very capable of being an all-star caliber player for a couple more years due to his high B-ball IQ.

[dannysc305]

I feel like I would rather have Wade today as well with everything he brings to the table defense boards dimes buckets steals blocks

[catch24]

Chris Paul is definitely a Top 50 player IMO.

He might not have the hardware of, say, Mcadoo, Unseld, Walton, Pierce or even Allen Iverson... but I would take him over all those guys without hesitation.

His numbers and impact in games are very comparable, and arguably greater than a few of those players.

[FKAri]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Tim Duncan
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
11. Lebron James
12. Moses Malone
13. Oscar Robertson
14. Jerry West
15. Julius Erving
16. Kevin Garnett
17. Karl Malone
18. Charles Barkley
19. Elgin Baylor
20. Bob Pettit
21. John Havlicek
22. Dirk Nowitzki
23. George Mikan
24. David Robinson
25. Isiah Thomas
26. Bob Cousy
27. Scottie Pippen
28. Rick Barry
29. Dwyane Wade
30. Willis Reed
31. Patrick Ewing
32. John Stockton
33. Walt Frazier
34. Clyde Drexler
35. Steve Nash
36. Allen Iverson
37. Dave Cowens
38. Dolph Schayes
39. Bill Walton
40. Kevin McHale
41. Jason Kidd
42. Wes Unseld
43. Gary Payton
44. Elvin Hayes
45. Paul Arizin
46. Bob McAdoo
47. Dominique Wilkins
48. George Gervin
49. Paul Pierce
50. Dennis Rodman
51. Dwight Howard
52. James Worthy
53. Nate Thurmond
54. Ray Allen
55. Sam Jones
56. Kevin Durant
57. Tiny Archibald

Stick to sucking Dirk and LeBron's D, Kraut.

You're a Heat fan and you have Dirk over Wade all time? Wade in general seems kinda low on your list. Interesting

Chris Paul is definitely a Top 50 player IMO.

He might not have the hardware of, say, Mcadoo, Unseld, Walton, Pierce or even Allen Iverson... but I would take him over all those guys without hesitation.

His numbers and impact in games are very comparable, and arguably greater than a few of those players.

You'd take prime CP over prime Walton?

[plowking]

Chris Paul is definitely a Top 50 player IMO.

He might not have the hardware of, say, Mcadoo, Unseld, Walton, Pierce or even Allen Iverson... but I would take him over all those guys without hesitation.

His numbers and impact in games are very comparable, and arguably greater than a few of those players.

Agreed. He simply falls into that category of, really really good player who just hasn't won.

Probably not on the level of guys like Barkley or Malone, but he is rated higher than guys like McHale, Worthy and a few others who have rings IMO.