i just realized that lebron doesnt have any more help than 96-98 jordan had

[TheNaturalWR]

lol @ Pippen > 2011 Wade. 2011 Wade was basically another LeBron.

[Fire Colangelo]

No, not at all. 1st three peat Pippen greater than, or equal to Wade / Gasol.

Have you seen 2nd three peat Pippen's offensive numbers? Sure he was dominant defensively, Wade and Gasol were no slouch on that end either. But offensively? He was putting up 17 ppg on like 41% shooting for that entire second three peat.

2011 Wade > '96, '97, or '98 Pippen
2012 Wade = '96 Pippen
2012 Wade > '97, and '98 Pippen
'96, '97, and '98 Pippen > 2013 Wade
2011 Wade > '08, '09, and '10 Gasol
2012 Wade > '08 Gasol
'09, and '10 Gasol > 2012 Wade
'08, '09, and '10 Gasol > 2013 Wade

Actually Pippen was putting up around 19/6/6 on 46% in the regular season, post season is when he went down to around 17/6/5 on sub 40%. Despite his shooting numbers, he was still elite defensively. Lets not forget Pippen was all nba 1st team in 96, 2nd team in 97 and 3rd team in 98.

2011 Wade is the best player of the bunch, but 96-98 Pippen's defensive > 2012 Wade's offense. 2013 Wade declined too much.

Gasol is harder to compare lol, he's not as good as Wade or Pippen I dont think, but his impact on those laker teams were huge.

lol @ Pippen > 2011 Wade. 2011 Wade was basically another LeBron.

It's debatable. Pippen was elite in 96. Still had a case for best SF over Grant Hill who was averaging 20/10/7.

[hitmanyr2k]

The mileage started taking its toll on Pippen in the '96 season and from then on he was often playing injured much like Wade last year. Pippen was playing some of his best basketball ever in '96 but his body broke down in February and his numbers dipped severely in March and April. He wasn't healthy for the entire playoff run with an assortment of injuries. In '97 he had a pretty good run until late in the ECF against Miami where he injured his foot early in Game 5 and had to play on one leg in the Finals (still played damn good) which lead to surgery before the '98 season. The '98 playoffs is where he was at his best defensively. Even in games where he scored low his defensive impact was so huge (mainly against the Hornets, Pacers and Jazz) that it couldn't be ignored. Against the Jazz he scored only 10 points in Game 3 but there were still articles after that game suggesting he should be Finals MVP lol.

[Smoke117]

No, not at all. 1st three peat Pippen greater than, or equal to Wade / Gasol.

Have you seen 2nd three peat Pippen's offensive numbers? Sure he was dominant defensively, Wade and Gasol were no slouch on that end either. But offensively? He was putting up 17 ppg on like 41% shooting for that entire second three peat.

2011 Wade > '96, '97, or '98 Pippen
2012 Wade = '96 Pippen
2012 Wade > '97, and '98 Pippen
'96, '97, and '98 Pippen > 2013 Wade
2011 Wade > '08, '09, and '10 Gasol
2012 Wade > '08 Gasol
'09, and '10 Gasol > 2012 Wade
'08, '09, and '10 Gasol > 2013 Wade

You're an Jordan stan and an idiot who pretends he's this big bulls fan. Pippen was completely dominating the league in the 95-96 before multiple injuries caught up to him later in the season and especially in the post season. He was dealing with a severe ankle sprain, wrist sprain, and a knee problem during the entire 96 playoffs. It completely limited his ability to attack the basket and made him a jumpshooter vs the Sonics...YET he still led the entire playoffs in defensive rating and defensive win shares being as hurt as he was. His offensive numbers mean nothing when he basically was the most dominant defensive player during the entire playoffs of any player big or small in the 96 playoffs.

He played through the 97 ecf and finals with an foot injury that would cause him to miss the first half of the 98 season after surgery. Before Pippen went down in the 98 finals in game 5 taking a Karl Malone charge he was considered to be the the FMVP through the four games when the Bulls were up 3-1. Pippen would have been the FMVP in 98 if not for his willingness to take a monster like Malone charge that ****ed up his back.

[SamuraiSWISH]

The mileage started taking its toll on Pippen in the '96 season and from then on he was often playing injured much like Wade last year. Pippen was playing some of his best basketball ever in '96 but his body broke down in February and his numbers dipped severely in March and April.

'94 - Jan. '96 is the best ball he ever played. I agree. But in the playoffs, offensively he was quite terrible.

'96 playoffs 17 ppg on 39%
'97 playoffs 19 ppg on 42%
'98 playoffs 18 ppg on 42%

Still dominant defensively, but his scoring production is quite atrocious. Wade when healthy is clearly the superior scorer. Probably Gasol as well.

He wasn't healthy for the entire playoff run with an assortment of injuries. In '97 he had a pretty good run until late in the ECF against Miami where he injured his foot early in Game 5 and had to play on one leg in the Finals (still played damn good) which lead to surgery before the '98 season. The '98 playoffs is where he was at his best defensively. Even in games where he scored low his defensive impact was so huge (mainly against the Hornets, Pacers and Jazz) that it couldn't be ignored. Against the Jazz he scored only 10 points in Game 3 but there were still articles after that game suggesting he should be Finals MVP lol.

Don't forget the absolute crippling back injury in game 3 v.s. Washington in the 1997 playoffs. Which really affected his entire career going forward, eventuall resurfacing in the '98 Finals.

[97 bulls]

The mileage started taking its toll on Pippen in the '96 season and from then on he was often playing injured much like Wade last year. Pippen was playing some of his best basketball ever in '96 but his body broke down in February and his numbers dipped severely in March and April. He wasn't healthy for the entire playoff run with an assortment of injuries. In '97 he had a pretty good run until late in the ECF against Miami where he injured his foot early in Game 5 and had to play on one leg in the Finals (still played damn good) which lead to surgery before the '98 season. The '98 playoffs is where he was at his best defensively. Even in games where he scored low his defensive impact was so huge (mainly against the Hornets, Pacers and Jazz) that it couldn't be ignored. Against the Jazz he scored only 10 points in Game 3 but there were still articles after that game suggesting he should be Finals MVP lol.

I've been preaching this for the longest. Pippen never really had an offseason where he could rest and recoup like most players. After 96. He played in the Olympics. After 97 he rehabbed that bad back.

If he's healthy, he just as good as normal.