Bill Russell has 11 rings, why is he not the GOAT?

[TheCorporation]

We all know 5 beats 3, just like 11 beats 6 However, we also know Bill Russell has 11 rings but is not considered the GOAT by most.

Why is this? The same reason Jordan has 6 and is not considered the GOAT

Competition matters.

LeBron James is the GOAT because no superstar has beaten better competition.

2012 Thunder: KD + Westbrook + Harden + Ibaka
2013 Spurs: Kawhi + Duncan + Parker + Ginobli + Pop
2016 Warriors: Curry + Draymond + Igoudola + Klay

Has Jordan even beaten ONE team better than any of these three?

Hint: Nope

Russell has more rings! [STATS]!
LeBron has more stats [RINGS]!

[Mask the Embiid]

He played against farmers,milkmen, and plumbers.....


Jordan played against car mechanics and substitute teachers..


Mechanics > Plumbers in terms of athletic ability

Fixing a muffler > unclogging a toilet

Teaching a class > remembering what houses are on your milk delivery route

[StrongLurk]

MJ is goat because MJ was the best player ever.

Rings only matter for coaches to keep their jobs longer.

[Stephonit]

Bill Russell is the greatest player. Who are the ones who say different? Those who didn't witness him play or those who are selling you something.

[TheCorporation]

He played against farmers,milkmen, and plumbers.....


Jordan played against car mechanics and substitute teachers..


Mechanics > Plumbers in terms of athletic ability

Fixing a muffler > unclogging a toilet

Teaching a class > remembering what houses are on your milk delivery route

Great point, Jordan's resume is impressive, having built up a nice collection of accolades against feared rivals such as the New York auto mechanics and the Cleveland Muffler boys.

He was impressive. For the 90s.

Fast forward to today's modern, advanced league and he would be a slightly more athletic DeMar Derozan. Which is fine. DeMar is a good player. But he is nothing special.

[TheCorporation]

MJ is goat because MJ was the best player ever.

Rings only matter for coaches to keep their jobs longer.

Less rings than Russell
Less stats than LeBron
Weaker competition than both
Better teammates than both

Sorry, I'm not buying it

[StrongLurk]

Less rings than Russell
Less stats than LeBron
Weaker competition than both
Better teammates than both

Sorry, I'm not buying it

MJ's basic stats/advanced stats are definitely better than Lebron's.

Like that's an actual fact.

[TheCorporation]

MJ's basic stats/advanced stats are definitely better than Lebron's.

Like that's an actual fact.

Competition?

[egokiller]

Bill Russell has 11 rings, why is he not the GOAT?

Russell cannot be considered in the elite because although he won multiple times and excelled at defense, he was not dominant offensively. Furthermore, if his game was translated into today (10 ppg, 12-13 rpg, and 3 bpg

[AirFederer]

3/9

[warriorfan]

Op is autistic

[TheCorporation]

[TheCorporation]

3/9

Ahh, so you went [RINGS]! I thought you might. Well I go STATS with LBJ and win again.

Russell has more rings. [STATS]!
LeBron has more stats. [RINGS]!



Yikes Jordan fans...

[3ball]

We all know 5 beats 3, just like 11 beats 6 However, we also know Bill Russell has 11 rings but is not considered the GOAT by most.

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Why is this?[/COLOR] The same reason Jordan has 6 and is not considered the GOAT

Only 2-way players are considered for goat

Russell wasn't an offensive player and was 4th option

Competition matters.

LeBron James is the GOAT because no superstar has beaten better competition.

2012 Thunder: KD + Westbrook + Harden + Ibaka
2013 Spurs: Kawhi + Duncan + Parker + Ginobli + Pop
2016 Warriors: Curry + Draymond + Igoudola + Klay

Has Jordan even beaten ONE team better than any of these three?

Hint: Nope

Sorry, but Curry/Klay/Dray weren't a juggernaut big 3 and easily beatable in the playoffs

The Bad Boys, Shaq/Penny, the 90's Knicks, 98' Pacers, 98' Jazz, 96' Sonics, 93' Suns and 91' Lakers are equal or better than the 3 teams you listed above

Malone/Stockton/Hornacek would beat old Duncan/Parker/Ginobili worse than they beat young Duncan and DR in 98'..... and Kawhi was just a 12 ppg player until lebron let him go off

Ultimately, it was 3-4 Spurs teams playing each other in the 90's west (parity), hence them taking turns losing to MJ in the Finals.

The only reason the recent Spurs had higher net efficiency was because they faced weaker comp than the stacked 90's west

So all of MJ's wins except 92' was like beating the equivalent of a Spurs-level team... He would smash the Spurs.. 3-0 in Lebron's shoes

And look at the 2 times MJ faced Duncan in 98' - dominated him, won without pippen.. sure Duncan was only the most prepared rookie ever

[And1AllDay]

Ahh, so you went [RINGS]! I thought you might. Well I go STATS with LBJ and win again.

Russell has more rings. [STATS]!
LeBron has more stats. [RINGS]!



Yikes Jordan fans...