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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Winning championships are NOT important
Originally Posted by StrongLurk
You posters are proving my point.
No one cares about Robert Horry or Steve Kerr. No one cares about the lesser Celtics back in the day whole also won 5+ rings.
Rings themselves just aren't important. Playing at a high level is all that matters.
If the goat did both (rings and stats), then why would we anoint anyone that only did 1?
Your problem is that your analysis omits any consideration of teamwork and team development, or how a player's skills affect those areas
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Winning championships are NOT important
Originally Posted by zeerghit
ill take this one
In the modern era, there's only one option, 6/15 - that's goat championship frequency post ABA and 3-point line..
Again, he would've had at least 7 in 8 years without retirement, and probably another one in 99'.. no one comes close
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Re: Winning championships are NOT important
Originally Posted by 3ball
If the goat did both (rings and stats), then why would we anoint anyone that only did 1?
Your problem is that your analysis omits any consideration of teamwork and team development, or how a player's skills affect those areas
No Pip, no rings.
However MJ would still dominate the game like no other...he just wouldn't have won any rings without some semblance of other talent on his team.
But he'd still be the best player for me.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Winning championships are NOT important
Originally Posted by StrongLurk
No Pip, no rings.
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And?
MJ won his rings with 1 less all-star teammate than lebron needed for his rings
Only MJ won multiple rings with 1 all-star, except Kobe/Shaq, Kobe/Pau, and hakeem when MJ was out of league (so only mj and mini-mj did it)
MJ won with the least help of anyone to win multiple rings, except hakeem (who wouldn't have multiple rings without mj's retirement
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Re: Winning championships are NOT important
Originally Posted by 3ball
And?
MJ won his rings with 1 less all-star teammate than lebron needed for his rings
Only MJ won multiple rings with 1 all-star, except Kobe/Shaq, Kobe/Pau, and hakeem when MJ was out of league (so only mj and mini-mj did it)
MJ won with the least help of anyone to win multiple rings, except hakeem (who wouldn't have multiple rings without mj's retirement
And?
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Last edited by TheCorporation; 02-23-2019 at 02:56 PM.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Winning championships are NOT important
Originally Posted by StrongLurk
And?
MJ won with less help than lebron
which is probably why he needed 34 and 7 apg in the 91-93 playoffs versus only 27 and 7 for lebron in the 12/13/16 playoffs
and MJ had to play goat D (4th in dpoy voting at 35 yrs old), while lebron lets his man get fmvp every single year
Ultimately, MJ had least help of any dynasty, yet he has the best ring frequency since the ABA merger and 3-point line (modern era).. GOAT
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Re: Winning championships are NOT important
Originally Posted by 3ball
MJ won with less help than lebron
which is probably why he needed 34 and 7 apg in the 91-93 playoffs versus only 27 and 7 for lebron in the 12/13/16 playoffs
and MJ had to play goat D (4th in dpoy voting at 35 yrs old), while lebron lets his man get fmvp every single year
Ultimately, MJ had least help of any dynasty, yet he has the best ring frequency since the ABA merger and 3-point line (modern era).. GOAT
MJ is the GOAT because he was the best player. Everything you are posting in my thread is secondary and even tertiary to what I'm talking about.
Level of play is all that matters. Rings are 4th or 5th most important for players AT BEST.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Winning championships are NOT important
Originally Posted by bigkingsfan
11/13 VS 6/15
gotta be a 2-way player with stats AND winning
Russell was a 1-way player without the requisite stats
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Re: Winning championships are NOT important
Originally Posted by StrongLurk
For individual players. Success for players is playing well (i.e. putting up elite stats), which in turn gets them higher salaries and more lucrative sponsorships.
Winning championships only matter for coaches because that's how they get paid the most and keep their jobs.
But rings really don't matter at all for players. Rings didn't do anything for scrubs, didn't help them get paid at all. Simply playing at an elite level is all the matters.
One of the worst posts ever and epitomizes everything that is wrong with some of the current generation
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Re: Winning championships are NOT important
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Bron/Brady not top 10
Re: Winning championships are NOT important
Playing well in the finals is definitely important, more important than winning or even just making it, it's why MJ is the GOAT among several other reasons
No one had a better peak, a better prime, played better under pressure, etc.
Did that despite breaking his foot and retiring in his prime.
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Re: Winning championships are NOT important
Originally Posted by StrongLurk
You posters are proving my point.
No one cares about Robert Horry or Steve Kerr. No one cares about the lesser Celtics back in the day whole also won 5+ rings.
Rings themselves just aren't important. Playing at a high level is all that matters.
Players want to be respected as the best player in the world and winning a ring as the man trumps every stat there is. Dirk didnt have the stats but it trumps everything lebron has done in his career coz he has a legit ring not ringchasers. Thats why players never collude coz it defeats the purpose of winning which is to be respected.
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Re: Winning championships are NOT important
Originally Posted by StrongLurk
But rings really don't matter at all for players. Rings didn't do anything for scrubs, didn't help them get paid at all. Simply playing at an elite level is all the matters.
That's not true. Remember Matthew Dellevadova?
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Embiid > Jokic
Re: Winning championships are NOT important
Originally Posted by LostCause
That's not true. Remember Matthew Dellevadova?
Delly actually built his reputation in 2015, a series they ended up losing. 2016 dude was an absolute non factor for that title
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