It just hit me, Kevin Durant will win more scoring titles than Michael Jordan.

[OmniStrife]

Like anyone gives a shit about scoring titles... AI, had some too, so what?

[RoseCity07]

Where did scoring titles get Iverson and McGrady? Hell, where has it gotten Lebron James?

Will Durant ever be the kind of guy to do everything for his team to win, and not just be useless when he isn't scoring.

[bluechox2]

amare is just a point behind durant. and we have a long season ahead of us.

[2010splash]

Durant eFG% in year 2-51.0 %
Durant eFG% in year 3-51.4 %

Jordan eFG% in year 2 46.2 %
Jordan eFG% in year 3 48.4 %

Jordan was a SG I would hope he would average more assists than Durant...also lol @ bringing up titles. How many did Jordan have from 19-21? he was still screwing around with college kids

"eFG%"?

Do you even have a clue what the "e" stands for in the stat? Why do people insist on bringing up these useless "advanced stats" in player comparisons.

Kevin Durant will never pass Dirk Nowitzki all time, never mind Jordan.

[az00m]

If he want it he could easily do it, despite injury

But i dont think we will ever see a player as selfish as Jordan for a long time

Selfish... His first few years hah. He at least the guy had 7 assist a game. Durant has more turn overs than assist a game. Plus jordan shot 50% durant shoots like 42

[az00m]

My point wasn't to say that Wilt couldn't do it. It was to show how hard it is to do.

I know Wilt changed his game. Perhaps Durant will as well. Maybe he will play alongside a Big 3 later on in his career, and change his game. Point is, we don't know.

Wilt said if people were going to make such a big deal about it he would of locked that record away.

And I have no doubts about that.

[ShaqAttack3234]

I never said that. But Durant's ability to score last year in the regular season was every bit as good as prime Jordan's ability to score in the regular season

No, since your entire argument is based on stats, I'll only use those to disprove this statement.

Jordan
1987- 37.1 ppg, 48.2 FG%, 48.4 eFG%, 56.2 TS%
1988- 35.0 ppg, 53.5 FG%, 53.7 eFG%, 60.3 TS%
1989- 32.5 ppg, 53.8 FG%, 54.6 eFG%, 61.4 TS%
1990- 33.6 ppg, 52.6 FG%, 55.0 eFG%, 60.6 TS%
1991- 31.5 ppg, 53.9 FG%, 54.6 eFG%, 60.5 TS%
1992- 30.1 ppg, 51.9 FG%, 52.6 eFG%, 57.9 TS%
1993- 32.6 ppg, 49.5 FG%, 51.5 eFG%, 56.4 TS%
1996- 30.4 ppg, 49.5 FG%, 52.5 eFG%, 58.2 TS%

Durant
2010- 30.1 ppg, 47.6 FG%, 51.4 eFG%, 60.7 TS%

Jordan's lowest scoring season from '87-'96(excluding '95 for obvious reasons) was equal to Durant's 30.1 ppg. Jordan's FG% was higher than Durant's in every season, Jordan's eFG% was superior in all but one season(basically equal in '93) and his TS% was superior in '89 while scoring an additional 2.4 ppg, not to mention his TS% in '88 with an extra 4.9 ppg, '90 with an extra 3.5 ppg and '91 with an extra 1.4 ppg were still for all purposes identical.

Talking stats, there's simply no way to justify Durant's '10 scoring season being equal to Jordan's '88, '89, '90 and '91 seasons.

And in '81, despite Jordan's eFG% and TS% being significantly lower than Durant's in '10, he averaged an extra 7 ppg so such a huge difference in the volume of shots and points scored makes it very tough to compare efficiency.

If you just go by ppg and TS% and nothing else, then you could say Durant's '10 season was better from a scoring standpoint than '92 and '96 Jordan, and probably '93 Jordan.

But then if you still factor in FG% and eFG% that becomes harder.

Of course this is all excluding the playoffs and purely from a statistical standpoint which doesn't include clutch scoring, versatility and consistency.

So again, even going by the criteria of just ppg and TS%, your statement is false because '88-'91 Jordan still comes out on top. Particularly '88-'90 when the difference in scoring average was bigger and TS% was virtually identical.

[KingBeasley08]

No, since your entire argument is based on stats, I'll only use those to disprove this statement.

Jordan
1987- 37.1 ppg, 48.2 FG%, 48.4 eFG%, 56.2 TS%
1988- 35.0 ppg, 53.5 FG%, 53.7 eFG%, 60.3 TS%
1989- 32.5 ppg, 53.8 FG%, 54.6 eFG%, 61.4 TS%
1990- 33.6 ppg, 52.6 FG%, 55.0 eFG%, 60.6 TS%
1991- 31.5 ppg, 53.9 FG%, 54.6 eFG%, 60.5 TS%
1992- 30.1 ppg, 51.9 FG%, 52.6 eFG%, 57.9 TS%
1993- 32.6 ppg, 49.5 FG%, 51.5 eFG%, 56.4 TS%
1996- 30.4 ppg, 49.5 FG%, 52.5 eFG%, 58.2 TS%

Durant
2010- 30.1 ppg, 47.6 FG%, 51.4 eFG%, 60.7 TS%

Jordan's lowest scoring season from '87-'96(excluding '95 for obvious reasons) was equal to Durant's 30.1 ppg. Jordan's FG% was higher than Durant's in every season, Jordan's eFG% was superior in all but one season(basically equal in '93) and his TS% was superior in '89 while scoring an additional 2.4 ppg, not to mention his TS% in '88 with an extra 4.9 ppg, '90 with an extra 3.5 ppg and '91 with an extra 1.4 ppg were still for all purposes identical.

Talking stats, there's simply no way to justify Durant's '10 scoring season being equal to Jordan's '88, '89, '90 and '91 seasons.

And in '81, despite Jordan's eFG% and TS% being significantly lower than Durant's in '10, he averaged an extra 7 ppg so such a huge difference in the volume of shots and points scored makes it very tough to compare efficiency.

If you just go by ppg and TS% and nothing else, then you could say Durant's '10 season was better from a scoring standpoint than '92 and '96 Jordan, and probably '93 Jordan.

But then if you still factor in FG% and eFG% that becomes harder.

Of course this is all excluding the playoffs and purely from a statistical standpoint which doesn't include clutch scoring, versatility and consistency.

So again, even going by the criteria of just ppg and TS%, your statement is false because '88-'91 Jordan still comes out on top. Particularly '88-'90 when the difference in scoring average was bigger and TS% was virtually identical.

this.
bye bye joyner.

[OldSchoolBBall]

No, since your entire argument is based on stats, I'll only use those to disprove this statement.

Jordan
1987- 37.1 ppg, 48.2 FG%, 48.4 eFG%, 56.2 TS%
1988- 35.0 ppg, 53.5 FG%, 53.7 eFG%, 60.3 TS%
1989- 32.5 ppg, 53.8 FG%, 54.6 eFG%, 61.4 TS%
1990- 33.6 ppg, 52.6 FG%, 55.0 eFG%, 60.6 TS%
1991- 31.5 ppg, 53.9 FG%, 54.6 eFG%, 60.5 TS%
1992- 30.1 ppg, 51.9 FG%, 52.6 eFG%, 57.9 TS%
1993- 32.6 ppg, 49.5 FG%, 51.5 eFG%, 56.4 TS%
1996- 30.4 ppg, 49.5 FG%, 52.5 eFG%, 58.2 TS%

Durant
2010- 30.1 ppg, 47.6 FG%, 51.4 eFG%, 60.7 TS%

Jordan's lowest scoring season from '87-'96(excluding '95 for obvious reasons) was equal to Durant's 30.1 ppg. Jordan's FG% was higher than Durant's in every season, Jordan's eFG% was superior in all but one season(basically equal in '93) and his TS% was superior in '89 while scoring an additional 2.4 ppg, not to mention his TS% in '88 with an extra 4.9 ppg, '90 with an extra 3.5 ppg and '91 with an extra 1.4 ppg were still for all purposes identical.

Talking stats, there's simply no way to justify Durant's '10 scoring season being equal to Jordan's '88, '89, '90 and '91 seasons.

And in '81, despite Jordan's eFG% and TS% being significantly lower than Durant's in '10, he averaged an extra 7 ppg so such a huge difference in the volume of shots and points scored makes it very tough to compare efficiency.

If you just go by ppg and TS% and nothing else, then you could say Durant's '10 season was better from a scoring standpoint than '92 and '96 Jordan, and probably '93 Jordan.

But then if you still factor in FG% and eFG% that becomes harder.

Of course this is all excluding the playoffs and purely from a statistical standpoint which doesn't include clutch scoring, versatility and consistency.

So again, even going by the criteria of just ppg and TS%, your statement is false because '88-'91 Jordan still comes out on top. Particularly '88-'90 when the difference in scoring average was bigger and TS% was virtually identical.

Plus, Durant's TS% would be nowhere near what it is today back in the late 80's/early 90's because he wouldn't be gifted all these FTA's.

[Burgz]

i love these hypothetical scenarios people come up with

it's almost as entertaining as people taking them serious

[YouCallILose]

No, since your entire argument is based on stats, I'll only use those to disprove this statement.

Jordan
1987- 37.1 ppg, 48.2 FG%, 48.4 eFG%, 56.2 TS%
1988- 35.0 ppg, 53.5 FG%, 53.7 eFG%, 60.3 TS%
1989- 32.5 ppg, 53.8 FG%, 54.6 eFG%, 61.4 TS%
1990- 33.6 ppg, 52.6 FG%, 55.0 eFG%, 60.6 TS%
1991- 31.5 ppg, 53.9 FG%, 54.6 eFG%, 60.5 TS%
1992- 30.1 ppg, 51.9 FG%, 52.6 eFG%, 57.9 TS%
1993- 32.6 ppg, 49.5 FG%, 51.5 eFG%, 56.4 TS%
1996- 30.4 ppg, 49.5 FG%, 52.5 eFG%, 58.2 TS%

Durant
2010- 30.1 ppg, 47.6 FG%, 51.4 eFG%, 60.7 TS%

Jordan's lowest scoring season from '87-'96(excluding '95 for obvious reasons) was equal to Durant's 30.1 ppg. Jordan's FG% was higher than Durant's in every season, Jordan's eFG% was superior in all but one season(basically equal in '93) and his TS% was superior in '89 while scoring an additional 2.4 ppg, not to mention his TS% in '88 with an extra 4.9 ppg, '90 with an extra 3.5 ppg and '91 with an extra 1.4 ppg were still for all purposes identical.

Talking stats, there's simply no way to justify Durant's '10 scoring season being equal to Jordan's '88, '89, '90 and '91 seasons.

And in '81, despite Jordan's eFG% and TS% being significantly lower than Durant's in '10, he averaged an extra 7 ppg so such a huge difference in the volume of shots and points scored makes it very tough to compare efficiency.

If you just go by ppg and TS% and nothing else, then you could say Durant's '10 season was better from a scoring standpoint than '92 and '96 Jordan, and probably '93 Jordan.

But then if you still factor in FG% and eFG% that becomes harder.

Of course this is all excluding the playoffs and purely from a statistical standpoint which doesn't include clutch scoring, versatility and consistency.

So again, even going by the criteria of just ppg and TS%, your statement is false because '88-'91 Jordan still comes out on top. Particularly '88-'90 when the difference in scoring average was bigger and TS% was virtually identical.

Just out of curiosity, why do you list FG% and not 3P/FT%? Why not list 3 pointers made? Or total FGA?

If you're going to break it down, list every stat.

Facts are Durant was just as efficient as prime Jordan at his best, Jordan was just taking 2 more shots a game.

[Leviathon1121]

I never said that. But Durant's ability to score last year in the regular season was every bit as good as prime Jordan's ability to score in the regular season

Wrong.

Durant has the ability to put up lower PPG on similar efficiency, and nothing he has ever done in his career has shown otherwise.

You saying his ability to score was equal to Jordan's is just absurd.

[jstern]

It just hit me how hard it would be to break this record. You kind of have to be a career 33+ ppg game career scorer to really say that with certainty, since the future is so unpredictable. Just so many more factors that you have to consider and relate to each other, rather than just looking at things as simple as 21 years old < 22 years old. I mean he could break it, but it just seems so hard.

Imagine Jordan's legacy if he decided not to retire for that year and a half. 2 more scoring titles right there, over 4,000 more career points, higher career ppg.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Just out of curiosity, why do you list FG% and not 3P/FT%? Why not list 3 pointers made? Or total FGA?

If you're going to break it down, list every stat.

Facts are Durant was just as efficient as prime Jordan at his best, Jordan was just taking 2 more shots a game.

Uh, I listed eFG% which accounts for 3s and TS% which accounts for 3s and free throws.

Durant's TS% last year in the regular season was equal to prime Jordan, except for the fact that Jordan maintained that while scoring as much as an additional 4.9 ppg on an equal TS% in '88, an additional 2.4 ppg in '89 on a 61+ TS%, an additional 3.5 ppg on an equal TS% in '90 and an additional 1.4 ppg on an equal TS% in '91.

Generally you're efficiency will drop with a higher volume of shots, so no, Durant's 2010 regular season was not equal from a scoring standpoint to '88-'91 Jordan, not statistically, and certainly not if we break it down further, but that's more subjective. Regardless, you're wrong, even with your own logic, '88-'91 regular season Jordan>>>2010 regular season Durant as a scorer.

You seem to be assuming that if Durant takes more shots his efficiency will remain the same. Sorry, but it doesn't work like that.

[hkfosho]

can we all stop talking about these %%%? Durant is bad, he will never surpass MJ in scoring titles.

/thread