Gasol v.s. Kobe 2010 Playoffs Game by Game

[ArbitraryWater]

yeah yeah 'why do this they played on the same team' well here it goes..

1st Round vs Oklahoma City Thunder

G1:
Gasol: 19/13/3 on 50% + 3 Blocks
Kobe: 21/2/3 on 31% (5 PF's)

Gasol > Kobe

G2:
Gasol: 25/12(5 offensive)/2 on 57%
Kobe: 39/5/1 on 42%

Gasol > Kobe

G3:
Gasol: 17/15/6 on 58%
Kobe: 24/4/8 on 34%

Gasol > Kobe

G4:
Gasol: 13/4/3 on 50%
Kobe: 12/3/4 on 50%

Wash

G5:
Gasol: 25/11/5 on 63%
Kobe: 13/3/7 on 44%

Gasol > Kobe

G6:
Gasol: 9/18/3 on 36%
Kobe: 32/7/3 on 48% (5 TO's)

Kobe > Gasol

1st Round Summary (6 Games)
Gasol better in 4/6 Games

2nd Round vs Utah Jazz

G1:
Gasol: 25/12/4 on 60% + 5 Blocks
Kobe: 31/3/4 on 63%

Gasol > Kobe (Close, but 9 Rebound Gap, 5 Blocks and Kobe with TO/PF Edge)

G2:
Gasol: 22/15(5 offensive)/2 on 64% (6 TO's)
Kobe: 30/5/8 on 45% + 3 Blocks (7 TO's)

Gasol > Kobe

G3:
Gasol: 14/17(7 offensive)/3 on 50% shooting
Kobe : 35 / 4 / 7 | 54% shooting

Kobe > Gasol (Close, PG has a fine case with 17 Rebounds/7 Off. Reb.! But scoring..)

G4:
Gasol: 33/14(7 offensive)/2 on 67%
Kobe: 32/3/4 on 47%

Gasol > Kobe

2nd Round Summary (4 Games)
Gasol better in 3/4 Games

Conference Finals vs Pheonix Suns

G1:
Gasol: 25/4/5 on 77%
Kobe: 40/5/5 on 55%

Kobe > Gasol

G2:
Gasol: 29/9/5 on 58%
Kobe: 21/5/13 on 42%

Gasol > Kobe

G3:
Gasol: 23/9/2 on 79%
Kobe: 36/9/11 on 54% (5 TO's)

Kobe > Gasol

G4:
Gasol: 15/5/3 on 43% + 4 Blocks
Kobe: 38/7/10 on 68%

Kobe > Gasol

G5:
Gasol: 21/9/5 on 50%
Kobe: 30/11/9 on 44% + 4 Blocks

Kobe > Gasol

G6:
Gasol: 9/7/2 on 22%
Kobe: 37/6/2 on 48%

Kobe > Gasol

Conference Finals Summary ( 6 Games)
Kobe better in 5/6 Games

Finals vs Boston Celtics

G1:
Gasol: 23/14(8 offensive)/3 on 57% + 3 Blocks
Kobe: 30/7/6 on 45%

Gasol > Kobe

G2:
Gasol: 25/8/3/ on 70% + 6 Blocks
Kobe: 21/5/6 on 40% + 4 Steals (5 TO's+5 PF's)

Gasol > Kobe

G3:
Gasol: 13/10/4 on 46%
Kobe: 29/7/4 on 34% + 3 Blocks

Kobe > Gasol

G4:
Gasol: 21/6/3 on 46%
Kobe: 33/6/2 on 45% (7 TO's+5 PF's)

Wash

G5:
Gasol: 12/12(7 offensive)/0 on 42%
Kobe: 38/5/4 on 48% (5 PF's)

Kobe > Gasol

G6:
Gasol: 17/13(5 offensive)/9 on 44% + 3 Blocks
Kobe: 26/11/3 on 47% + 4 Steals

Gasol > Kobe

G7:
Gasol: 19/18(9 offensive)/4 on 38%
Kobe: 23/15/2 on 25%

Gasol > Kobe

Turnovers:
Kobe: 28
Gasol: 13

*only noted 3+ Blocks/Steals and 5+ TO's / PF's

Finals Summary (7 Games)
Gasol better in 4/7 Games

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2010 Playoff Summary (23 Games)

1st Round: Gasol > Kobe
2nd Round: Gasol > Kobe
Conference Finals: Kobe > Gasol
Finals: Gasol > Kobe

Gasol better in 3/4 Series'
Kobe better in 1/4 Series'

Gasol better in 12/23 Games
Kobe better in 9/23 Games

Gasol > Kobe in 2010 Playoffs

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Which ones would you disagree with?

[Quickening]

Seem accurate, but to give someone as boring as Gasol a FMVP over a superstar like Kobe would have took peak regular season Wilt numbers

[ArbitraryWater]

Seem accurate, but to give someone as boring as Gasol a FMVP over a superstar in Kobe would have took Gasol having peak regular season Wilt numbers

ESPN Crew was confused as **** afterwards talking about why Kobe was FMVP... Plashke (or whatever) and Wilbon were like 'who the hell decides these things?'

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If only games were played on stat sheets

[buddha]

If only games were played on stat sheets

LeBron would approve of this.

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But regardless,

Good post. I think people forget how good Gasol is/was

[ArbitraryWater]

If only games were played on stat sheets

Which games do you think transcend the statistical evidence? Its always a treat to learn how by suddenly using 'the eye test' Kobe is obviously superior opposed to anyone he was being compared to at the time... but please, enlighten.

But regardless,

Good post. I think people forget how good Gasol is/was

at least we can agree on that

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Looks to me like you underrate scoring if anything. Beyond that, though, having a nicer looking stat-line doesn't always mean you have more impact and/or are the better player.

At the time, and in hindsight, Kobe was better than Gasol in the 2010 playoffs.

[GIF REACTION]

Which games do you think transcend the statistical evidence? Its always a treat to learn how by suddenly using 'the eye test' Kobe is obviously superior opposed to anyone he was being compared to at the time... but please, enlighten.



at least we can agree on that

It's a matter of context within the games

The wheels might get the spin but the engine is really doing the work

Gasol isn't putting up those numbers and winning games without Kobe

[SouBeachTalents]

yeah yeah 'why do this they played on the same team' well here it goes..

1st Round vs Oklahoma City Thunder

G1:
Gasol: 19/13/3 on 50% + 3 Blocks
Kobe: 21/2/3 on 31% (5 PF's)

Gasol > Kobe

G2:
Gasol: 25/12(5 offensive)/2 on 57%
Kobe: 39/5/1 on 42%

Gasol > Kobe

G3:
Gasol: 17/15/6 on 58%
Kobe: 24/4/8 on 34%

Gasol > Kobe

G4:
Gasol: 13/4/3 on 50%
Kobe: 12/3/4 on 50%

Wash

G5:
Gasol: 25/11/5 on 63%
Kobe: 13/3/7 on 44%

Gasol > Kobe

G6:
Gasol: 9/18/3 on 36%
Kobe: 32/7/3 on 48% (5 TO's)

Kobe > Gasol

1st Round Summary (6 Games)
Gasol better in 4/6 Games

2nd Round vs Utah Jazz

G1:
Gasol: 25/12/4 on 60% + 5 Blocks
Kobe: 31/3/4 on 63%

Gasol > Kobe (Close, but 9 Rebound Gap, 5 Blocks and Kobe with TO/PF Edge)

G2:
Gasol: 22/15(5 offensive)/2 on 64% (6 TO's)
Kobe: 30/5/8 on 45% + 3 Blocks (7 TO's)

Gasol > Kobe

G3:
Gasol: 14/17(7 offensive)/3 on 50% shooting
Kobe : 35 / 4 / 7 | 54% shooting

Kobe > Gasol (Close, PG has a fine case with 17 Rebounds/7 Off. Reb.! But scoring..)

G4:
Gasol: 33/14(7 offensive)/2 on 67%
Kobe: 32/3/4 on 47%

Gasol > Kobe

2nd Round Summary (4 Games)
Gasol better in 3/4 Games

Conference Finals vs Pheonix Suns

G1:
Gasol: 25/4/5 on 77%
Kobe: 40/5/5 on 55%

Kobe > Gasol

G2:
Gasol: 29/9/5 on 58%
Kobe: 21/5/13 on 42%

Gasol > Kobe

G3:
Gasol: 23/9/2 on 79%
Kobe: 36/9/11 on 54% (5 TO's)

Kobe > Gasol

G4:
Gasol: 15/5/3 on 43% + 4 Blocks
Kobe: 38/7/10 on 68%

Kobe > Gasol

G5:
Gasol: 21/9/5 on 50%
Kobe: 30/11/9 on 44% + 4 Blocks

Kobe > Gasol

G6:
Gasol: 9/7/2 on 22%
Kobe: 37/6/2 on 48%

Kobe > Gasol

Conference Finals Summary ( 6 Games)
Kobe better in 5/6 Games

Finals vs Boston Celtics

G1:
Gasol: 23/14(8 offensive)/3 on 57% + 3 Blocks
Kobe: 30/7/6 on 45%

Gasol > Kobe

G2:
Gasol: 25/8/3/ on 70% + 6 Blocks
Kobe: 21/5/6 on 40% + 4 Steals (5 TO's+5 PF's)

Gasol > Kobe

G3:
Gasol: 13/10/4 on 46%
Kobe: 29/7/4 on 34% + 3 Blocks

Kobe > Gasol

G4:
Gasol: 21/6/3 on 46%
Kobe: 33/6/2 on 45% (7 TO's+5 PF's)

Wash

G5:
Gasol: 12/12(7 offensive)/0 on 42%
Kobe: 38/5/4 on 48% (5 PF's)

Kobe > Gasol

G6:
Gasol: 17/13(5 offensive)/9 on 44% + 3 Blocks
Kobe: 26/11/3 on 47% + 4 Steals

Gasol > Kobe

G7:
Gasol: 19/18(9 offensive)/4 on 38%
Kobe: 23/15/2 on 25%

Gasol > Kobe

Turnovers:
Kobe: 28
Gasol: 13

*only noted 3+ Blocks/Steals and 5+ TO's / PF's

Finals Summary (7 Games)
Gasol better in 4/7 Games

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2010 Playoff Summary (23 Games)

1st Round: Gasol > Kobe
2nd Round: Gasol > Kobe
Conference Finals: Kobe > Gasol
Finals: Gasol > Kobe

Gasol better in 3/4 Series'
Kobe better in 1/4 Series'

Gasol better in 12/23 Games
Kobe better in 9/23 Games

Gasol > Kobe in 2010 Playoffs

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Which ones would you disagree with?

Game 2 vs OKC could be a wash
Game 2 vs Utah could be a wash
Game 2 vs Phoenix could be a wash
Game 4 of the Finals is Kobe
Game 6 of the Finals could be a wash

[HOoopCityJones]

Looks to me like you underrate scoring if anything. Beyond that, though, having a nicer looking stat-line doesn't always mean you have more impact and/or are the better player.

At the time, and in hindsight, Kobe was better than Gasol in the 2010 playoffs.

Tell him post The Boston series, notably the games played at their house.


Gasol numbers look pretty mostly because of rebounding. But he's a PF/Center, that's like literally his Job. It's Kobe's job to score and put pressure on the defense.

[ArbitraryWater]

It's a matter of context within the games

The wheels might get the spin but the engine is really doing the work

Gasol isn't putting up those numbers and winning games without Kobe

and we have evidence that a superior Kobe wasn't winning games without Gasol, either.... both Gasol and Kobe were first round exists without each other... as far as the numbers, Gasol put up similar ones in Memphis, as a LESSER player, hell, at this old age, declared washed by Kobe fans in 2013, he was still leading the NBA in DOUBLE DOUBLES for **** sake... so no, not true. Peak Gasol could very realistically have averaged MORE ppg due to the limited shot attempts he had.

[34-24 Footwork]

Lol @ using "rebounding gap" as legit measure of effectiveness to decredit a 6'6 wing player and prop up a 7'1 guy.

But Kobe 15 boards and game 7 were "irrelevant". Lol.

Kobe is so good that he's the first guard in history to have his fg% compared with a big man.

[ArbitraryWater]

Game 2 vs OKC could be a wash
Game 2 vs Utah could be a wash
Game 2 vs Phoenix could be a wash
Game 4 of the Finals is Kobe
Game 6 of the Finals could be a wash

the could be ones, I like that you included the 'could be', your opinion, to me, no... Game 4 of the Finals I called a wash because of the 7 TO's, which to me matches any edge Kobe had in volume scoring (that was it).

[ArbitraryWater]

Lol @ using "rebounding gap" as legit measure of effectiveness to decredit a 6'6 wing player and prop up a 7'1 guy.

But Kobe 15 boards and game 7 were "irrelevant". Lol.

Kobe is so good that he's the first guard in history to have his fg% compared with a big man.

Sorry, you fail again... this isn't about whats more impressive, we're simply comparing basketball categories (across the board)... assists are in here, too, so don't cry around... efficiency is compared all the time, its another reason why MJ was GOAT, actually. If a big guy is more inclined to shoot a higher percentage, than boo hoo.