Shaq's Final numbers sh** all over Lebron.

[Big164]

Shaq: 28.8p .590t% 13.1r 3.4a 2.0b .5s 3.3tov
6 finals: 4 rings

Lebron: 27.0p .535t% 9.9r 7.2a .8b 1.9s [COLOR="Red"]3.9tov[/COLOR]
7 Finals 3 rings

More Points on better efficiency. And these averages include Shaq's poor Miami series, Peak4Peak it wouldnt even be close!

[aj1987]

Shaq: 28.8p .590t% 13.1r 3.4a 2.0b .5s 3.3tov

Lebron: 27.0p .535t% 9.9r 7.2a .8b 1.9s [COLOR="Red"]3.9tov[/COLOR]

More Points on better efficiency. And these averages include Shaq's poor Miami series, Peak4Peak it wouldnt even be close!

No shit. Shaq is a top 2 GOAT Finals player.

1. MJ
2. Shaq



















3. Who gives a shit

[Im Still Ballin]

a 4 assist gap is huge

These stats are a lot closer than you think

It's a given Shaq will be more efficient as a center

Compare both players best 3 finals and it's even stevens

Shaq'll have the points advantage, but LeBron closes the gap of total points accounted for by a much superior assist total

Then you factor in the opponent quality, and yeah..

[tmacattack33]

Shaq: 28.8p .590t% 13.1r 3.4a 2.0b .5s 3.3tov
6 finals: 4 rings

Lebron: 27.0p .535t% 9.9r 7.2a .8b 1.9s [COLOR="Red"]3.9tov[/COLOR]
7 Finals 3 rings

More Points on better efficiency. And these averages include Shaq's poor Miami series, Peak4Peak it wouldnt even be close!

And they also include Lebron's Cleveland series where he was 22 and completely outmatched, going against a great team with Daniel Gibson as his second option.

And anyway, no, Shaq's numbers there do not completely dominate Lebron's numbers. The difference in assists and playmaking is gigantic. Lebron literally doubles Shaq's assists and then some.

[Dragonyeuw]

And anyway, no, Shaq's numbers there do not completely dominate Lebron's numbers. The difference in assists and playmaking is gigantic. Lebron literally doubles Shaq's assists and then some.

Given their roles, isn't that a given? As it is, the triangle deflates individual assist numbers. It's not an offense where one player stands at the top of the key and dribbles the air out of the ball waiting for a play to develop.

Furthermore to your point about the 2007 finals, Lebron's production that series on the surface, 22/7/7 doesn't impact his overall numbers nearly as much as Shaq's 2006 finals. He shot like crap, but the surface numbers don't do nearly as much damage as Shaq putting up 13.7ppg. His finals numbers are well over 30ppg without that outlier series.

[Im Still Ballin]

And they also include Lebron's Cleveland series where he was 22 and completely outmatched, going against a great team with Daniel Gibson as his second option.

And anyway, no, Shaq's numbers there do not completely dominate Lebron's numbers. The difference in assists and playmaking is gigantic. Lebron literally doubles Shaq's assists and then some.

People have this dumbass notion of lowballing the value of an assist

We KNOW that 1 assist is worth much more than 1 point

That small points scored total and efficiency is EASILY made up for by superior assist totals, EVEN when you account for slightly more turnovers

LeBron has always been the King of points accounted for

Not to mention we haven't even talked about strength of opposition, which we know is a no contest

[MP.Trey]

Shaq looks slightly better to me. I don't see anyone shitting on anyone stat-wise.

Shaq scores slightly more on a better percentage, rebounds and blocks shots more (obviously, he's arguably the most dominant big man ever). LeBron averages more assists and steals (obviously, he's one of the most dominant perimeter players ever) Turnovers are usually going to go the way of the guy handling the ball the majority of the time as well. Context is a beautiful thing.

[Im Still Ballin]

Given their roles, isn't that a given? As it is, the triangle deflates individual assist numbers. It's not an offense where one player stands at the top of the key and dribbles the air out of the ball waiting for a play to develop.

Furthermore to your point about the 2007 finals, Lebron's production that series on the surface, 22/7/7 doesn't impact his overall numbers nearly as much as Shaq's 2006 finals. He shot like crap, but the surface numbers don't do nearly as much damage as Shaq putting up 13.7ppg. His finals numbers are well over 30ppg without that outlier series.

Shaq 2006 is more comparable to LeBron 2011

[Im Still Ballin]

This is LeBron's last 5 finals average

29.52/10.7/7.22/1.96/0.9 on 48%

I imagine Shaq's best 5 finals would look like 33/13 or something

But when you factor in strength of opposition and give an unbiased analysis on the stats (Understanding the true value of an assist in regards to points accounted by)

There's barely any between them

[Dragonyeuw]

Shaq 2006 is more comparable to LeBron 2011

No he isn't, because his play didn't directly contribute to his team losing. Shaq only took 9 shots per game that series( and hit 60%), so its not like he was taking a high volume of shots and getting shut down.

[StrongLurk]

Numbers like these are why I always put Shaq>Duncan and Kobe.

Shaq has just as good longevity but more playoff dominance and it top 3 Finals Goat.

[Mr Feeny]

These numbers are why Shaq is way 》》》》》 kobe

[Dragonyeuw]

But when you factor in strength of opposition and give an unbiased analysis on the stats (Understanding the true value of an assist in regards to points accounted by)

There's barely any between them

Positional opposition:

Shaq: Hakeem( defending champ and FMVP), Smits( former all-star), Mutombo( DPOY that year), McCollough, Ben Wallace( 2 DPOY before and 2 afterwards), Diop/Dampier

Lebron: Bowen ,Marion( not the Suns version), Durant( legit star but pre-prime), Kawhi( still up and coming), Iguodola/Harnes

Not much difference.

[Im Still Ballin]

No he isn't, because his play didn't directly contribute to his team losing. Shaq only took 9 shots per game that series( and hit 60%), so its not like he was taking a high volume of shots and getting shut down.

Nope

Shaq and LeBron both shot low volumes, evident by their field goals.. They didn't miss a lot of shots like a 2004 Kobe, they simply didn't take enough shots. Shaq shot like 60% and LeBron shot 48%

I'm not sure why you're including the result of the series as neither of them are compatible in this light so it's stupid that you even made such comparison in the first place

What I said is right on a statistical level which is really all you can compare

[Im Still Ballin]

Positional opposition:

Shaq: Hakeem( defending champ and FMVP), Smits( former all-star), Mutombo( DPOY that year), McCollough, Ben Wallace( 2 DPOY before and 2 afterwards), Diop/Dampier

Lebron: Bowen ,Marion( not the Suns version), Durant( legit star but pre-prime), Kawhi( still up and coming), Iguodola/Harnes

Not much difference.

Basketball is a team sport you degenerate poop stain

LAST 5 FINALS [COLOR="Blue"](Average opposition win total of 61)[/COLOR]

28.6/10.2/7.4/1.6/0.4 on 47%

25.3/10.9/7.0/2.3/0.9 on 45%

28.2/7.8/4.0/2.0/0.4 on 57%

35.8/13.3/8.8/1.3/0.5 on 40%

29.7/11.3/8.9/2.6/2.3 on 49%

[COLOR="Red"]29.52/10.7/7.22/1.96/0.9 on 48%[/COLOR]



LAST 3 FINALS [COLOR="Blue"](Average opposition win total of 67)[/COLOR]

28.2/7.8/4.0/2.0/0.4 on 57%

35.8/13.3/8.8/1.3/0.5 on 40%

29.7/11.3/8.9/2.6/2.3 on 49%

[COLOR="Red"]31.2/10.8/7.2/1.96/1.06 on 49%[/COLOR]