LeBron (trade) to SAS...

[aj1987]

You would have another chip if not for that man, you should hold him accountable for what he took away from your boy Wade in 2011.

Sure. I always blame LeBron for Miami losing in '11. You seem to know my post history pretty well. You should know that. I've dished out my fair bit of LeBron criticism.

The Spurs in 2005 were a completely different team than what they are in 2015. Timmy NEEDED to be that guy because we didn't have all the weapons we have now or that LeBron had on those Heat squads. 2003 is possibly the GOAT carry, so that should be discounted. 2007 was another prime "The Man" year for GODkin where he put the Spurs on his back and then was robbed of FMVP like in 2014.

What?

Manu averaged 21/6/4 on 51% and TP averaged 17/3/4 on 46% in the PO's in '05. Not to mention an ELITE defender in Bowen and role-players like Horry and Barry.

21/3/6 on 53% TS and 17/6/4 on 56% TS in the '07 PO's. Timmy didn't even win the FMVP in '07.

Oh, and don't forget that Duncan had that help during his PRIME.

It's basically the same team as the '15 Spurs or the '14 Spurs. Timmy, TP, Manu, and an ELITE defender (albeit a much better scorer). Except, back then the core were all in their PRIMES.

i dunno about all this advanced stuff... all i see is wade/bosh being limited while the heat basically choke 3 out of 4 finals. ( 1 saved by ray ) and the 2009 and 2010 cavs majorly underachieving


then theres the whole 2015 nba finals in which lebron took 30 shots a game at 27%

In other words, you have no answer and you're just talking out your ass. Good to know.

[ArbitraryWater]

Aj

Spurs5Rings2014 you aight too

[G0ATbe]

Why would spurs switch kawhi entering his prime with the guy he shut down and outplayed in the finals?

[3ball]

LeBron is playing off-ball a ton now.

Lebron is putting up 25/7/7 with .56 TS% on low minutes with a 27.7 PER.

So you're bragging that Lebron has a stacked team again, where he can average his typical 25.0/6.5/6.5, which would be the worst stats of MJ's Bulls career?

You should be disappointed that Lebron can't achieve goat stats unless he's thoroughly dominating the ball.. But the ball-domination results in his typical "empty" stats, since his team can't win that way.

LeBron is playing off-ball a ton now.

Lebron is only playing off-ball slightly more - the stats prove that 60% of Lebron's [COLOR="Navy"]2016 halfcourt offense[/COLOR] is still achieved through ball-dominance - either PNR ballhandler or isolations:

Breakdown of Lebron's offense from NBA.com:

Transition: 25.0%
PNR Ballhandler: 21.2%
Isolations: 20.2%
Post-Up: 10.6%
Cut: 7.7%.......
Spot-Up: 3.4%...
Off-Screen: 3.4%....
Hand-off: 2.4%
Putback: 1.9%

LeBron has had 45% of his made FG's assisted this year(career high).

It's true that Lebron's time of possession is lower this year - only 4.2 minutes per game so far.. The last 2 regular seasons, it was 6.1 minutes per game, which was higher than many point guards and the highest of any non-point guard.

Btw, during the 2015 season, point guard John Wall led the league with 8.3 minutes in regular season and 10.0 minutes in postseason.. But in the 2015 Finals, Lebron's time of possession was a massive 12.0 minutes, or 50% higher than John Wall's league-leading RS!!!

Ultimately, Lebron's Finals stats were invalidated by his ridiculously-high time of possession (50% higher than the regular season leader), his stat-padding (losing) clearout style, and of course his 39% shooting despite no double-teams.

And even this season, the stats show Lebron gets 60% of his halfcourt offense from isolations and pnr ballhandler.

When Kyrie gets back

Lebron's stats will crater, because he won't just play off-ball sometimes like he does now - he'll have to actually BE an off-ball player for extended stretches..

He for damn sure won't get 60% of his halfcourt offense from isolations and pnr ballhandler like he does now (as shown above).
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[Paul George 24]

Yea, it must be so difficult to get out of the first round. Don't forget about them choking in the final game of the season to a 45 win team and lost the higher seed.

you better worries ur team more

[Paul George 24]

LeBron is playing off-ball a ton now.

I'll guide you since you don't watch NBA basketball:


http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-ca...ds-this-season

LeBron has had 45% of his made FG's assisted this year(career high). Cavs are 3rd in Assist ratio(behind Spurs-East Hawks and the optimal strategy Warriors), 3rd in ORTG, and Lebron is putting up 25/7/7 with .56 TS% on low minutes with a 27.7 PER.


When Kyrie gets back we will continue to see even more of this as he said above. It's as if, if the personnel is right, Lebron can easily move to being a more off-ball player. Unthinkable.

my spurs dun need a 4 times choker ( 2/6 )

[Paul George 24]

Mo Williams (dude was an All-Star) shot up from 52% - 57% - 59%. Made his ONLY ASG on the Cavs with LeBron.

Kyrie went from 53% - 58%.

TT went from 51% TS to 58% TS with LeBron.


Kyrie - Career high TS
TT - Career high TS
JR - Highest TS in the past 7 seasons
Mozgov - Career high TS
Shump - Highest TS since his Sophomore season

Chalmers - 53% TS without LeBron and 57% TS with LeBron including a career high of 45% FG%
Mo - 51% TS without LeBron and 58% TS with LeBron including his only 2 seasons shooting over 40% from the 3

Cav's before LeBron: Lottery
Cav's with LeBron: Contenders
Cav's after LeBron: Lottery

Heat before LeBron ('09-'10): 1st round exit
Heat with LeBron: 4 straight Finals and 2 rings
Heat after LeBron: Lottery

Possessions per assist:

2010 Miami Heat - 4.75
2009 Miami Heat - 4.41
2008 Miami Heat - 4.50

2014 Heat: 4.05
2013 Heat: 3.94
2012 Heat: 4.56
2011 Heat: 4.55

2011 Cavaliers - 4.43
2012 Cavaliers - 4.61
2013 Cavaliers - 4.47
2014 Cavaliers - 4.41

2010 Cavs: 4.08
2009 Cavs: 4.37
2008 Cavs: 4.51
2007 Cavs: 4.37
2006 Cavs: 4.72

LeBron led offenses:

'09 - 4
'10 - 6
'11 - 3
'12 - 8
'13 - 5
'14 - 2
'15 - 3

lbj is a ball dominant,so plz no

[Springsteen]

Kawhi just took it to Durant and Westbrook. I'll stick with the young stud.

If you're talking about Lebron from a few years ago, well then maybe. MAYBE.

[Uncle Drew]

my spurs dun need a 4 times choker ( 2/6 )

Your Spurs? You're a Turkish Paul George stan, heh.

[aj1987]

Kawhi just took it to Durant and Westbrook. I'll stick with the young stud.

If you're talking about Lebron from a few years ago, well then maybe. MAYBE.

Pop would take LeBron in a heartbeat.

[Spurs m8]

Pop would take LeBron in a heartbeat.

Maybe a few years ago....you stupid cnts aren't bright enough to work this side of things out though.

Ball killing, 2/6 fgt can get ****ed...doesn't belong on the Spurs what so ever.

[AnaheimLakers24]

Mo Williams (dude was an All-Star) shot up from 52% - 57% - 59%. Made his ONLY ASG on the Cavs with LeBron.

Kyrie went from 53% - 58%.

TT went from 51% TS to 58% TS with LeBron.


Kyrie - Career high TS
TT - Career high TS
JR - Highest TS in the past 7 seasons
Mozgov - Career high TS
Shump - Highest TS since his Sophomore season

Chalmers - 53% TS without LeBron and 57% TS with LeBron including a career high of 45% FG%
Mo - 51% TS without LeBron and 58% TS with LeBron including his only 2 seasons shooting over 40% from the 3

Cav's before LeBron: Lottery
Cav's with LeBron: Contenders
Cav's after LeBron: Lottery

Heat before LeBron ('09-'10): 1st round exit
Heat with LeBron: 4 straight Finals and 2 rings
Heat after LeBron: Lottery

Possessions per assist:

2010 Miami Heat - 4.75
2009 Miami Heat - 4.41
2008 Miami Heat - 4.50

2014 Heat: 4.05
2013 Heat: 3.94
2012 Heat: 4.56
2011 Heat: 4.55

2011 Cavaliers - 4.43
2012 Cavaliers - 4.61
2013 Cavaliers - 4.47
2014 Cavaliers - 4.41

2010 Cavs: 4.08
2009 Cavs: 4.37
2008 Cavs: 4.51
2007 Cavs: 4.37
2006 Cavs: 4.72

LeBron led offenses:

'09 - 4
'10 - 6
'11 - 3
'12 - 8
'13 - 5
'14 - 2
'15 - 3

Still lost in finals though

[aj1987]

Maybe a few years ago....you stupid cnts aren't bright enough to work this side of things out though.

Ball killing, 2/6 fgt can get ****ed...doesn't belong on the Spurs what so ever.

Did you miss my first post, you shrimp [COLOR="Black"]di[/COLOR]ck retarded [COLOR="black"]f[/COLOR]aggot?

Mo Williams (dude was an All-Star) shot up from 52% - 57% - 59%. Made his ONLY ASG on the Cavs with LeBron.

Kyrie went from 53% - 58%.

TT went from 51% TS to 58% TS with LeBron.


Kyrie - Career high TS
TT - Career high TS
JR - Highest TS in the past 7 seasons
Mozgov - Career high TS
Shump - Highest TS since his Sophomore season

Chalmers - 53% TS without LeBron and 57% TS with LeBron including a career high of 45% FG%
Mo - 51% TS without LeBron and 58% TS with LeBron including his only 2 seasons shooting over 40% from the 3

Cav's before LeBron: Lottery
Cav's with LeBron: Contenders
Cav's after LeBron: Lottery

Heat before LeBron ('09-'10): 1st round exit
Heat with LeBron: 4 straight Finals and 2 rings
Heat after LeBron: Lottery

Possessions per assist:

2010 Miami Heat - 4.75
2009 Miami Heat - 4.41
2008 Miami Heat - 4.50

2014 Heat: 4.05
2013 Heat: 3.94
2012 Heat: 4.56
2011 Heat: 4.55

2011 Cavaliers - 4.43
2012 Cavaliers - 4.61
2013 Cavaliers - 4.47
2014 Cavaliers - 4.41

2010 Cavs: 4.08
2009 Cavs: 4.37
2008 Cavs: 4.51
2007 Cavs: 4.37
2006 Cavs: 4.72

LeBron led offenses:

'09 - 4
'10 - 6
'11 - 3
'12 - 8
'13 - 5
'14 - 2
'15 - 3

[ISHGoat]

Did you miss my first post, you shrimp [COLOR="Black"]di[/COLOR]ck retarded [COLOR="black"]f[/COLOR]aggot?

Mo Williams (dude was an All-Star) shot up from 52% - 57% - 59%. Made his ONLY ASG on the Cavs with LeBron.

Kyrie went from 53% - 58%.

TT went from 51% TS to 58% TS with LeBron.


Kyrie - Career high TS
TT - Career high TS
JR - Highest TS in the past 7 seasons
Mozgov - Career high TS
Shump - Highest TS since his Sophomore season

Chalmers - 53% TS without LeBron and 57% TS with LeBron including a career high of 45% FG%
Mo - 51% TS without LeBron and 58% TS with LeBron including his only 2 seasons shooting over 40% from the 3

Cav's before LeBron: Lottery
Cav's with LeBron: Contenders
Cav's after LeBron: Lottery

Heat before LeBron ('09-'10): 1st round exit
Heat with LeBron: 4 straight Finals and 2 rings
Heat after LeBron: Lottery

Possessions per assist:

2010 Miami Heat - 4.75
2009 Miami Heat - 4.41
2008 Miami Heat - 4.50

2014 Heat: 4.05
2013 Heat: 3.94
2012 Heat: 4.56
2011 Heat: 4.55

2011 Cavaliers - 4.43
2012 Cavaliers - 4.61
2013 Cavaliers - 4.47
2014 Cavaliers - 4.41

2010 Cavs: 4.08
2009 Cavs: 4.37
2008 Cavs: 4.51
2007 Cavs: 4.37
2006 Cavs: 4.72

LeBron led offenses:

'09 - 4
'10 - 6
'11 - 3
'12 - 8
'13 - 5
'14 - 2
'15 - 3

[3ball]

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