***Who was the Closer for the 00-02 Lakers?***

[32Dayz]

Im so mad that Shaq was the closer

Yup.. Facts dont lie.

Points scored in the 4th Quarter from 2000-2002 (Playoffs)
Shaq - 388
Kobe - 351

Series in which a player was the "Main Closer" 2000-2002 (Playoffs)
Shaq - 3 Series (00 POR, 00 IND, 02 SAC)
Kobe - 1 Series (02 SAS)

[BlackJoker23]

Points scored in the 4th Quarter from 2000-2002 (Playoffs)
Shaq - 388
Kobe - 351

Series in which a player was the "Main Closer" 2000-2002 (Playoffs)
Shaq - 3 Series (00 POR, 00 IND, 02 SAC)
Kobe - 1 Series (02 SAS)

^ - This must really make you mad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILwyffzltQA

1 more than shaq.

really mad.

[32Dayz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILwyffzltQA

1 more than shaq.

really mad.

3FMVP (00,01,02) > 1FMVP (09)

[MichaelCheazley]

I love how the counter arguments are childish pictures and dumb comments.If you disagree with the post at least say why and back it up guys.

[32Dayz]

@ stats

Yea... they really screw up your view on reality dont they?

[Deuce Bigalow]

I love how the counter arguments are childish pictures and dumb comments.If you disagree with the post at least say why and back it up guys.

If you saw the games or atleast saw highlights you didnt need to explain

[32Dayz]

If you saw the games or atleast saw highlights you didnt need to explain

So we should just take a homers word for it? (your word).

I watched all the games (when collecting these stats) and most of the time the ball was run through Shaq in the post even in the Final minutes.

You cant argue with any legitimate facts or stats because your view on reality isn't what actually happened.

Its funny.. and kind of sad.

[Deuce Bigalow]

2002 Finals 4th quarters
Shaq- 29 points, 6/14 FG, 17/29 FT
Kobe- 33 points, 12/19 FG, 6/9 FT

2002 1st round 4th quarters
Shaq- 22 points, 8/15 FG, 6/11 FT
Kobe- 15 points, 5/14 FG, 3/4 FT

2002 Spurs-Lakers series:

Kobe averaged 9.2 ppg on 64% shooting in fourth quarters. Shaq averaged 4.5 ppg on 29%.

2002 Spurs-Lakers series:

Kobe averaged 9.2 ppg on 64% shooting in fourth quarters. Shaq averaged 4.5 ppg on 29%.

2002 Kings-Lakers series:

Kobe averaged 8.6 ppg on 43%, 96% on FTs and had just 5 turnovers. Shaq averaged just 5.1 ppg on 31%, 68% FTs and had 8 turnovers.

[32Dayz]

Those stats (all of them) are completely incorrect
Dunno how you can expect anyone to take you seriously when you post made up bullshit.

Kobe was the Closer for one series in the 3peat (02 VS SAS)
No need to remention it.


Shaq was clearly the closer in 02 vs Sacramento.

02 CNFinalz VS SAC 4QScoring

Shaq
G1: 3
G2: 7
G3: 3
G4: 6
G5: 0
G6: 12
G7 + OT : 15
Combined : 46 / 6.6 ppg

Kobe
G1: 10
G2: 5
G3: 16
G4: 6
G5: 6
G6: 11
G7 + 0T : 6
Combined : 60 / 8.5 ppg

Consensus : Shaquille Oneal

While at first glance looking at the point totals you may think that Kobe was the closer for this series but he was not.
Both piled up plenty of Clutch buckets in this series and I was tempted to Label the Duo together as the closers for this series but I feel Shaq deserves the honor.

Shaq scored 33 Points in the 3 Close games they won while Kobe chipped in 23 Points.
G7 in particular where they went into 0T Shaq really came through scoring 15 points in the 4th Q + OT while Kobe only chipped in 6.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Im

[Thorn]

Interesting data. Some points:

1. You factored Kobe's Games 2 and 3 into the fourth quarter averages. They were both 0 even though Kobe hurt his ankle early in Game 2 and did not play Game 3. I agree with deeming Shaq the closer for the 2000 Finals but I feel like you're underselling Kobe's contributions, especially in Game 4. Yes, Shaq scored 16 while Kobe only scored 12. But Kobe stepped up when Shaq was on the bench and that Game 4 was needed given the Game 5 blowout and how close Game 6 was.

2. 2001 WCSF vs the Kings - I'd probably give that to Shaq. It's true that Kobe's Game 4 was pretty damn good. But the importance of the first two games and Shaq's performance in those first two tips the edge to him - the first two games were more important than a 3-0 on the verge of a sweep. However, it's also worth mentioning that Kobe had 36 in Game 3 as Divac played aggressive defense on Shaq, limiting him to 21. Doug Christie fouled out.

3. 2001 WCF vs Spurs - I would give to Kobe. Mostly because Shaq had to deal with the Twin Towers while Kobe ran all over whoever was defending him - Antonio Daniels couldn't do anything on him. Didn't help the Spurs that Derek Anderson was injured also. Kobe's performances in the first two games on the road were paramount to dismantling the Spurs to set the stage for the blowouts in LA.

It may also be worth noting that in Game 5 of the WCF, Shaq fouled out (I will say there were some dubious foul calls) in a game LA lost on a Mike Bibby game winner.

Overall, I'd say Shaq was the closer in 2000, then shared it with Kobe in 2001 and 2002.

[32Dayz]

I'm not mad.. I just think its retarded to post false/made up stats.

But whatever gets you off man.

[Deuce Bigalow]

I'm hella now

[32Dayz]

Interesting data. Some points:

1. You factored Kobe's Games 2 and 3 into the fourth quarter averages. They were both 0 even though Kobe hurt his ankle early in Game 2 and did not play Game 3. I agree with deeming Shaq the closer for the 2000 Finals but I feel like you're underselling Kobe's contributions, especially in Game 4. Yes, Shaq scored 16 while Kobe only scored 12. But Kobe stepped up when Shaq was on the bench and that Game 4 was needed given the Game 5 blowout and how close Game 6 was.

2. 2001 WCSF vs the Kings - I'd probably give that to Shaq. It's true that Kobe's Game 4 was pretty damn good. But the importance of the first two games and Shaq's performance in those first two tips the edge to him - the first two games were more important than a 3-0 on the verge of a sweep. However, it's also worth mentioning that Kobe had 36 in Game 3 as Divac played aggressive defense on Shaq, limiting him to 21. Doug Christie fouled out.

3. 2001 WCF vs Spurs - I would give to Kobe. Mostly because Shaq had to deal with the Twin Towers while Kobe ran all over whoever was defending him - Antonio Daniels couldn't do anything on him. Didn't help the Spurs that Derek Anderson was injured also. Kobe's performances in the first two games on the road were paramount to dismantling the Spurs to set the stage for the blowouts in LA.

It may also be worth noting that in Game 5 of the WCF, Shaq fouled out (I will say there were some dubious foul calls) in a game LA lost on a Mike Bibby game winner.

Overall, I'd say Shaq was the closer in 2000, then shared it with Kobe in 2001 and 2002.

Thanks for the input.. the first non Troll Response in this thread.

I can definitely agree with your final summation that Shaq was the Closer in 00 and they both shared the duties in 01 and 02.

[MichaelCheazley]

If you saw the games or atleast saw highlights you didnt need to explain

Lazy excuse.