Let's be honest, the Cavaliers are just not good enough

[Beastmode88]

Lmao the excuses are pouring in 12 games into the season?

[JohnFreeman]

[WTFdidNBAbigsGO]

isnt it the stars jobs to set up their teammates and run the plays for them since they are the ROLE PLAYERS and were signed to be spot up shooters. That is lebron and kyrie style they are ball dominant so there isnt much else for the team to do if those little 3 cant hold their own and create for the rest. I can tell your not very smart either, we got something in common friend

[Cobra Kai]

Goonies R Good Enough

[Heavincent]

Their defense isn't fixable without a trade. They can scheme however they want, but the roster is filled with inherently poor defenders.

The offense will get better as the season goes along, but the defense will continue to be complete shit.

[HOoopCityJones]

An Omen?

[Bigsmoke]

Having a rookie coach is why their struggles are so obvious IMO

[MMM]

People still believe guys like Kyrie and Love are superstars???

What have they done in this league but pick up losing tendencies, especially Kyrie more so than Love. Kyrie should have been able to carry the Cavs to the playoffs a season ago in a weak east the fact that he didn't and all the things that happened in that locker room reflects on his lack of leadership.

[Mr. Jabbar]

agreed.

Yes Excuses

[Mr. Jabbar]

kinda agree with op, they lack the spine and veterans miami had, the experience of some1 like wade went far beyond his production

[Bigsmoke]

People still believe guys like Kyrie and Love are superstars???

What have they done in this league but pick up losing tendencies, especially Kyrie more so than Love. Kyrie should have been able to carry the Cavs to the playoffs a season ago in a weak east the fact that he didn't and all the things that happened in that locker room reflects on his lack of leadership.

2012- Irving was a rookie
2013- Anderson Varejao missed half the season and not really much talent beyond that
2013- Mike Brown proved he isn't that good of a coach and they did improve their win total.


You don't become A scoring PG at 22 to John Stockton overnight. He needs never tasted winning had a consistent basis like Wade had.


The West is loaded and love was their all star

[MMM]

2012- Irving was a rookie
2013- Anderson Varejao missed half the season and not really much talent beyond that
2013- Mike Brown proved he isn't that good of a coach and they did improve their win total.


You don't become A scoring PG at 22 to John Stockton overnight. He needs never tasted winning had a consistent basis like Wade had.


The West is loaded and love was their all star

Agreed but losing builds losing habits that are tough to break. Kyrie and Love aren't there yet in terms of playing winning basketball. I still think as a franchise player that Kyrie should have been able to will his team in despite all the issues the team had. He was an all star level player leading a team in the weakest East since the early 2000s

[Bigsmoke]

Agreed but losing builds losing habits that are tough to break. Kyrie and Love aren't there yet in terms of playing winning basketball. I still think as a franchise player that Kyrie should have been able to will his team in despite all the issues the team had. He was an all star level player leading a team in the weakest East since the early 2000s

Melo didn't make the playoffs last year
The Cavs didn't have a good team. Irving kept them from looking like they did in 2011

[3ball]

I have no doubt their offense will figure itself out,

and what an amazing coincidence it will be if their offense come around, when their defense comes right along with it...

[deja vu]

Not good enough?

That roster on paper is better than 98% of the league.