shaq coulda won 3 straight if you replaced kobe with any other quality 2nd option

[dubeta]

and then..... 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015

happened

He was shit for half those years, and irrelevant for the other half

[kennethgriffin]

1993 - nick anderson 20ppg
1993 - dennis scott 16ppg
1993 - scott skiles 15ppg

result = missed playoffs

1994 - penny hardaway 16ppg
1994 - nick anderson 16ppg
1994 - dennis scott 13ppg
1994 - scott skiles 10ppg

result = swept first round

1995 - penny hardaway 21ppg
1995 - nick anderson 16ppg
1995 - dennis scott 13ppg
1995 - horace grant 13ppg

result = swept nba finals

1996 - penny hardaway 22ppg
1996 - dennis scott 18ppg
1996 - nick anderson 15ppg
1996 - horace grant 13ppg

result = swept third round

1997 - eddie jones 17ppg
1997 - nick van exel 15ppg
1997 - elden campbell 15ppg
1997 - cedric ceballos 11ppg

result = lost 1-4 first round

1998 - eddie jones 17ppg
1998 - kobe bryant 15ppg
1998 - nick van exel 14ppg
1998 - rick fox 12ppg
1998 - elden campbell 10ppg

result = swept first round

1999 - kobe bryant 20ppg
1999 - glen rice 18ppg
1999 - rick fox 10ppg

result = swept 2nd round

2003 - kobe bryant 30ppg ( injured in playoffs )
2003 - derek fisher 10ppg

result = lost 2-4 in 2nd round

2004 - kobe bryant 24ppg ( bad shoulder all year
2004 - payton 15ppg
2004 - malone 12ppg ( injured in finals )

result = lost 1-4 in nba finals

2005 - dwyane wade 24ppg
2005 - eddie jones 13ppg
2005 - damon jones 12ppg
2005 - udonas haslem 11ppg

result = lost 3-4 in third round


2007 - dwyane wade 27ppg
2007 - jason williams 11ppg
2007 - jason kapono 11ppg
2007 - udonas haslem 11ppg

result = swept first round

2008 - amare stoudemire 25ppg
2008 - steve nash 16ppg
2008 - shawn marion 16ppg
2008 - leandro barbosa 16ppg
2008 - grant hill 13ppg
2008 - raja bell 12ppg

result = lost 1-4 first round

2009 - amare stoudemire 21ppg
2009 - jason richardson 16ppg
2009 - steve nash 16ppg
2009 - leandro barbosa 14ppg
2009 - grant hill 12ppg
2009 - matt barnes 10ppg

result = missed playoffs

2010 - lebron james 30ppg
2010 - mo williams 16ppg
2010 - antawn jamison 16ppg

result = lost 2-4 in 2nd round

2011 - paul pierce 19ppg
2011 - ray allen 17ppg
2011 - kevin garnett 15ppg
2011 - glen davis 12ppg
2011 - rajon rondo 11ppg
2011 - jeff green 10ppg

result = lost 1-4 in 2nd round






















MDE

[kennethgriffin]

He was shit for half those years, and irrelevant for the other half

2003 - 1st team all nba, 1st team all defense
2004 - 1st team all nba, 1st team all defense
2005 - 3rd team all nba
2006 - 1st team all nba, 1st team all defense
2007 - 1st team all nba, 1st team all defense
2008 - 1st team all nba, 1st team all defense
2009 - 1st team all nba, 1st team all defense
2010 - 1st team all nba, 1st team all defense
2011 - 1st team all nba, 1st team all defense
2012 - 1st team all nba, 2nd team all defense
2013 - 1st team all nba

[dubeta]

Lol why are you using his 2003-2004 years with Kobe?

Doesn't that go against your point?

[kennethgriffin]

Lol why are you using his 2003-2004 years with Kobe?

Doesn't that go against your point?

no it helps due to kobe not being 100% vs their best competition in the playoffs either year


i said shaq needed an elite/healthy kobe to beat his best competition


i.e.

- Portland 2000
- San Antonio 2001
- Sacramento 2002
- San Antonio 2003
- Detroit 2004




had kobe been 100% for 2003, 2004 playoffs the lakers probly win both years and 5-peat

[Paul George 24]

and then..... 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015

happened

no kobe shaq win again with wade
and kobe need fisher & gasol to the last 2 rings

[Paul George 24]

and kobe is done and about retire

[dubeta]

Kobe wasn't elite in 2000



Lol

Rekt

[kennethgriffin]

no kobe shaq win again with wade
and kobe need fisher & gasol to the last 2 rings

shaq was the 3rd leading scorer in the 2006 finals

kobe was the leading scorer and finals mvp in 2009 and 2010

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe wasn't elite in 2000



Lol

Rekt

youre a lazy troll

Rekt



ISH used to have way better competition for me

[Paul George 24]

shaq was the 3rd leading scorer in the 2006 finals

kobe was the leading scorer and finals mvp in 2009 and 2010

gasol carried kobe

[Dbrog]

If Kobe was so injured in 04', why did he insist on playing KoME ball and shot jacking for days while ignoring Shaq in the paint? Everything looked fine to me except the mansion Kobe was building with all those bricks! He also played 45 minutes or more each of those games...because that's what injured players do

[dubeta]

If Kobe was so injured in 04', why did he insist on playing KoME ball and shot jacking for days while ignoring Shaq in the paint? Everything looked fine to me except the mansion Kobe was building with all those bricks! He also played 45 minutes or more each of those games...because that's what injured players do

Damn



Rekt

[ShaqTwizzle]

Why is Mr. Griffin listing shitty choke artist roleplayers like Anderson & Scott as if they matter?

02 Kobe : 26 / 4.4-apg on 49%TS (vs West)

12 Wade : 23 / 4.3-apg on 53%TS
95 Drexler : 21 / 5-apg on 59%TS

Ray Allen in the 01 playoffs : 25 / 6-apg on 61%TS

Kobe was a solid All-Star in 00 & 02 but his performance level honestly wasn't all that special.
Plenty of sidekick #2's have put up comparable or better numbers over the years.

So yes many, many guys could have potentially replaced him those two years (Penny included).
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]>inb4 oh Shaq already lost with Penny[/COLOR]

Competition matters.
00 Lakers especially after their injury (loss of Kobe) wouldn't have beaten the 95 Rockets.
02 Lakers wouldn't have beaten the 96 Bulls (I don't think).
So yeah... Penny and Shaq could have won in 00 & 02.

[COLOR="Purple"]For Kenneth.[/COLOR]
All the years when Shaq had a "legit All-Star" at his side he did very well.

93 = No All-Stars
94 = No All-Stars
95 = Made Finals
96 = Made CFinals lost to 96 Bulls (no shame in that) (PF was injured)
97 = No All-Stars
98 = No All-Stars
99 = No All-Stars
00 = Ring
01 = Ring
02 = Ring
03 = Lost to Champs (Kobe was injured + other issues)
04 = Made Finals
05 = Made CFinals (would have made Finals if Wade not injured)
06 = Champ

07+ = Shaq was washed up after this so why even list these years unless you're a troll?

Also please don't spout nonsense like [COLOR="DarkRed"]Van Exel was a legit All-Star[/COLOR] or a guy you could win a title with as your #2.

He was a flashy chucker and a playoff choker.
[COLOR="DarkRed"]In the 97/98 playoffs combined he averaged :[/COLOR] 12 / 5-apg on 46%TS.
Yeah that is not an All-Star buddy.
He also averaged[COLOR="DarkRed"] 9ppg / 4-apg on 36%TS[/COLOR] against Utah in the 98 WCF.

[COLOR="DarkGreen"]Jones[/COLOR] was a 3 & D roleplayer who was good on the break.
An elite roleplayer but not a guy who could create a high amount of offense for himself in the playoffs because he didn't have the skillset for it.

[COLOR="DarkRed"]In the 97 & 98 playoffs he averaged :[/COLOR] 14.6 / 2.6-apg on 60%TS
(his numbers were much worse VS Utah)

Kobe was a scrub until 99 and wasn't a legit All-Star until 00.

[COLOR="Blue"]Even 2000 Kobe failed to perform at an All-Star level in 6/11 games LAL won prior to the Finals.[/COLOR]

[sportjames23]

Anyone else get a kick outta dubeta and kenniff going at it?