SG Comparison: 2014 vs. 1990

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[COLOR="White"][/COLOR]Starting SG's with Minimum 15.0 PER:


[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR]2006[COLOR="White"].......................................[/COLOR]1990

Kobe Bryant*.......................... Michael Jordan*
Dwayne Wade*....................... Clyde Drexler*
Manu Ginobili*........................ Mitch Richmond*
Ray Allen*.............................. Joe Dumars*
Vince Carter*.......................... Reggie Miller*
Michael Redd.......................... Fat Lever
Jason Richardson..................... Ron Harper
Richard Hamilton..................... Hersey Hawkins
Joe Johnson............................ Dale Ellis
Mike Miller...............................Ricky Pierce
Bonzi Wells............................. Alvin Robertson
Jamal Crawford....................... Jeff Hornacek
Morris Peterson....................... Ronaldo Blackmon
Leandro Barbosa..................... Jeff Malone

[COLOR="White"][/COLOR]Starting SG's with Minimum 15.0 PER:


[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR]2014[COLOR="White"].................................[/COLOR]1990

James Harden..................... Michael Jordan*
Dwayne Wade*................... Clyde Drexler*
Manu Ginobili*.................... Mitch Richmond*
Joe Johnson........................ Joe Dumars*
Demar Derozan................... Reggie Miller*
Goran Dragic....................... Fat Lever
Jamal Crawford................... Jeff Hornacek
Aaron Afflalo....................... Alvin Robertson
Nick Young......................... Dale Ellis
JJ Redick............................ Ricky Pierce
Kevin Martin....................... Hersey Hawkins
Wesley Matthews................ Ron Harper
Gerald Green...................... Ronaldo Blackmon

1990 vs 2006 and 2014

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[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR]Starting SG's with Minimum 15.0 PER:

(lists not ranked in any kind of order - only loosely matched up player-to-player for easier comparison)

[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR]2006[COLOR="White"].................................[/COLOR]1990

Kobe Bryant*.......................... Michael Jordan*
Dwayne Wade*....................... Clyde Drexler*
Manu Ginobili*........................ Mitch Richmond*
Ray Allen*.............................. Joe Dumars*
Vince Carter*.......................... Reggie Miller*
Michael Redd.......................... Fat Lever
Jason Richardson..................... Ron Harper
Richard Hamilton..................... Hersey Hawkins
Joe Johnson............................ Dale Ellis
Mike Miller...............................Ricky Pierce
Bonzi Wells............................. Alvin Robertson
Jamal Crawford....................... Jeff Hornacek
Morris Peterson....................... Ronaldo Blackmon
Leandro Barbosa..................... Jeff Malone


HOF (*)

missing t-mac, iverson, broy, i dunno about the per but these guys are definitely better than the bottom half of that list

[3ball]

missing t-mac, iverson, broy, i dunno about the per but these guys are definitely better than the bottom half of that list

those guys weren't playing SG that year.. the positions are based on bballref's game-by-game account of what positions they played throughout the year.

it's going to hurt all eras the same... same thing happened with all-star Reggie Lewis in the late 80's/early 90's, who played both SG and SF.

[aj1987]

You missed T-Mac, Iverson, and RIP.

[Mr.Kite]

Dragic is more of a PG.

He's a top 3 PG and a top 3 SG though.

Dragic4life is that you?

[Encre92]

Weird cause the Suns list bledsoe as pg which means they dont even feel he is the best pg on the suns but he is top 3...

You ignorant ass, I bet you don't even watch Suns games.

Dragic is BY FAR THE SUPERIOR PLAYER to Bledsoe. Not even a contest who the better player is, let alone PG.

[Cali Syndicate]

Mo monta Ellis?

[Papaya Petee]

SG is very weak now. But at 2009 they were at their strongest ever. A 30/8/5 Wade a 30/5/5 Kobe dominating plus Brandon Roy was an absolute monster. Plus JJ Manu Vince Carter playing at star levels. Ray Allen and TMac were still putting up numbers.

[3ball]

[COLOR="White"][/COLOR]Starting SG's with Minimum 15.0 PER:


[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR]2006[COLOR="White"].......................................[/COLOR]1990

Kobe Bryant*.......................... Michael Jordan*
Dwayne Wade*....................... Clyde Drexler*
Manu Ginobili*........................ Mitch Richmond*
Ray Allen*.............................. Joe Dumars*
Vince Carter*.......................... Reggie Miller*
Michael Redd.......................... Fat Lever
Jason Richardson..................... Ron Harper
Richard Hamilton..................... Hersey Hawkins
Joe Johnson............................ Dale Ellis
Mike Miller...............................Ricky Pierce
Bonzi Wells............................. Alvin Robertson
Jamal Crawford....................... Jeff Hornacek
Morris Peterson....................... Ronaldo Blackmon
Leandro Barbosa..................... Jeff Malone

[COLOR="White"][/COLOR]Starting SG's with Minimum 15.0 PER:


[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR]2014[COLOR="White"].................................[/COLOR]1990

James Harden..................... Michael Jordan*
Dwayne Wade*................... Clyde Drexler*
Manu Ginobili*.................... Mitch Richmond*
Joe Johnson........................ Joe Dumars*
Demar Derozan................... Reggie Miller*
Goran Dragic....................... Fat Lever
Jamal Crawford................... Jeff Hornacek
Aaron Afflalo....................... Alvin Robertson
Nick Young......................... Dale Ellis
JJ Redick............................ Ricky Pierce
Kevin Martin....................... Hersey Hawkins
Wesley Matthews................ Ron Harper
Gerald Green...................... Ronaldo Blackmon

You missed T-Mac, Iverson, and RIP.

I didn't miss anybody.

Tmac was listed as a SF in 2006.. Iverson and Monta were listed as PG's... and Rip Hamilton is on the list.

The list shows that SG's were far better in 1990 than they are today and that 1990's advantage over 2006 SG's was a lot smaller.
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[Legends66NBA7]

DeMar should be matched up with Dumars. Joe Johnson with Miller.

[3ball]

DeMar should be matched up with Dumars. Joe Johnson with Miller.

This is true... but the point of the lists was not to match them up perfectly - the point is to compare one group to the other group.

It was interesting putting the lists together because I'm now quite positive that it's complete media propoganda and bs to say "players are better now".

Because it's quite the opposite - SG's, SF's, and bigs are all worse now.. materially worse... I think this is due to players in previous eras having to develop skills necessary to score ON defenders as a standard - they expected to have to score ON a defender for every possession, so they had to develop Kareem's skyhook, or Gervin's finger roll, or Alex English's wide variety of runners in order to do so.

Otoh, in today's game, the spacing creates an environment where contested shots are only viable if you HAVE to take them - so players today don't develop the skills and ability to take a wide variety of contested two-pointers, and instead master how to get open, set a screen and roll/pop correctly, and set their feet right for a 3-pointer, etc.

THAT'S why the list of SG's and SF's of today pales in comparison to the wings of previous eras.. the spacing has made the game easier, so you don't have to be as good.

[Collie]

Man, Dale Ellis was sick during the 4 years stretch of 86-90. 25 ppg 50-40-80, including a season with 28ppg on 51/48(!)/82.

[3ball]

Man, Dale Ellis was sick during the 4 years stretch of 86-90. 25 ppg 50-40-80, including a season with 28ppg on 51/48(!)/82.

It's a joke to even have to compare Dale Ellis to Nick Young, but that's all 2014 has...

Ditto for Ricky Pierce, Ronaldo Blackmon and pre-injury, prime Ron Harper - these guys are too good to compare to guys like JJ Redick, Gerald Green and Wes Matthews...

Most of the 2014 SG's on the list are bit players compared to the 1990 SG's.
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[KobesFinger]

Have you done one for PGs or did I miss it?

[aj1987]

It's a joke to even have to compare Dale Ellis to Nick Young, but that's all 2014 has...

Ditto for Ricky Pierce, Ronaldo Blackmon and pre-injury, prime Ron Harper - these guys are too good to compare to guys like JJ Redick, Gerald Green and Wes Matthews...

Most of the 2014 SG's on the list are bit players compared to the 1990 SG's.
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Yeah, the SG position sucks ass now. Compare the '90's SG's to '00's SG, '00 > .