Miami Heat vs. Cleveland Cavs discussion

[Kidbasketball20]

From a different thread on the topic:

JT123 wrote: "The Heat have more talent, much better coaching, and have been playing together for years.
Lebron is playing with a bunch of young cats who don't know how to win."

I wrote: "You're telling me it wouldn't be legacy killing if LeBron lost to the Heat (the team he just ditched) with old man Wade and Bosh in the ECF???"

JT123 wrote: How would it be legacy killing? The Heat have created a super team since Lebron left. They replaced Lebron with not one, but TWO All Stars!

I wrote: Deng is in the same category as LeBron?
What the **** are you smoking bro.

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Am I the only one who finds this argument absurd?

If the Heat beat the Cavs in the ECF it would be legacy killing imo. Not sure how anyone can see differently.

[SouBeachTalents]

He does have a point. We hear on this board CONSTANTLY how stacked the Heat are, plus how Wade & Bosh are superstars. So would it really be that shocking to lose to a stacked team with two superstars on the roster?

[Mr Exlax]

I really don't think it would ruin it or tarnish it even. This is year 1 for a whole new team, new coach etc etc going against a team full of vets and a coach that knows LeBron's strengths and weaknesses.

[Mass Debator]

It'd be straight up embarrassing but not legacy killing. If it happens again in year 2, he'd probably head back to Miami with the veteran minimum.

[Kidbasketball20]

He does have a point. We hear on this board CONSTANTLY how stacked the Heat are, plus how Wade & Bosh are superstars. So would it really be that shocking to lose to a stacked team with two superstars on the roster?

Kevin Love/LbJ/Irving are better than washed up Wade/underperforming Bosh/and Deng????

[DukeDelonte13]

Deng and Wade could theoretically have bounce back seasons, bosh could come back better than he was in Toronto.

It's feasible, but not necessarily probable.

[J Shuttlesworth]

It depends how it goes down.

If Wade is healthy, the Heat are a force to be reckoned with.

But a star player isn't the only reason a team ever loses. Bron could be playing well, and maybe Love and Irving have a bad series, or the coaching just isn't ready for the NBA. Lots of shit can happen that could involve the Cavs losing whether or not LeBron plays well.

If it's 2011 finals Bron that shows up, then yes it's a big bust

[dubeta]

So now people dont want to count Deng and Granger as All stars, but were happy to count Wade and Bosh as all stars/ superstars all this time


The double stantards ppl go through

[Kidbasketball20]

So now people dont want to count Deng and Granger as All stars, but were happy to count Wade and Bosh as all stars/ superstars all this time


The double stantards ppl go through

Deng + Granger doesn't replace LeBron... not even close. Unless LBJ fans are REALLY lowering expectations on how good of a player LBJ is.

And KLove is better than Bosh (at least based on his last 4 seasons) and Wade is washed up. Irving isn't.



The Cavs are infinitely more talented than the Heat, although the Heat have more chemistry.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Deng + Granger doesn't replace LeBron... not even close. Unless LBJ fans are REALLY lowering expectations on how good of a player LBJ is.

And KLove is better than Bosh (at least based on his last 4 seasons) and Wade is washed up. Irving isn't.



The Cavs are infinitely more talented than the Heat, although the Heat have more chemistry.

It should if Bosh/Wade are really the superstars that people claimed them to be, and if the heat really really considered the most stacked team in history. Losing 1 player and replacing him with two all stars shouldn't stop a team that many were claiming to be the most stacked team all time.

See where I'm going with this?

[Cocaine80s]

oh my god who ****ing cares

its ****ing september, lets just wait till atleast mid season for you to get butthurt over this shit

[GrapeApe]

So now people dont want to count Deng and Granger as All stars, but were happy to count Wade and Bosh as all stars/ superstars all this time


The double stantards ppl go through

Granger made 1 all star appearance and it was 5 years ago. He might not even be a rotation player. Deng on the other hand was a nice addition and could be a significant contributor. He's obviously not LeBron but when healthy he's a solid player.

The Cavs are formidable on paper but we'll have to see how they gel. The Heat have a nice team though and most Heat fans are excited about this season. If Wade remains healthy they could very well meet the Cavs in the ECF.

[magic chiongson]

if heat signs andray blatche, it's all over for the east.

blatche = 7 foot lebron

[Kidbasketball20]

It should if Bosh/Wade are really the superstars that people claimed them to be, and if the heat really really considered the most stacked team in history. Losing 1 player and replacing him with two all stars shouldn't stop a team that many were claiming to be the most stacked team all time.

See where I'm going with this?

I see what you're trying to do...


But Bosh/Wade TODAY are NOT Bosh/Wade from 4 years ago. Wade was a top 5 player in 2011, and Bosh was probably a top 15 player.


Now the question is whether Wade is washed up (Jameer Nelson is better than a washed up Wade today), and if Bosh can reclaim his alpha status from Toronto.

[J Shuttlesworth]

I see what you're trying to do...


But Bosh/Wade TODAY are NOT Bosh/Wade from 4 years ago. Wade was a top 5 player in 2011, and Bosh was probably a top 15 player.


Now the question is whether Wade is washed up (Jameer Nelson is better than a washed up Wade today), and if Bosh can reclaim his alpha status from Toronto.

Ok but Bosh/Wade today ARE the same guys from about 5 months ago when the NBA playoffs started, right?

Back then, people were still calling the Heat the most stacked team of all time even though Wade was broken down, and the team really wasn't all that good. If they really were that stacked, losing one superstar and replacing him with two all stars should keep them as the favorites.