Anthony Davis better then Blake Griffin?

[Pointguard]

What is this revisionist history where Blake Griffin has never had monster games without other superstars?

How quickly you forget his rookie season where he was dropping 30+ pretty often, with 40 point games thrown in.

Anthony Davis may very well become better but you guys are seriously underrating Blake Griffin.

I stated a time period in the previous sentence and was making a direct parallel with Anthony Davis within that time range. No revision, you were just very careful to not to quote the whole post so as to work your own little revisionist history. I obviously make references like "just have to dismiss him as not being a star player anymore." and "Its two years now, the moniker has been stretched long enough." And make another reference to the fact that he was once a superstar.

Blake Griffin had the most impressive rookie year of any power forward stat wise. He went after boards and got them. He went hard to the hoop and scored. His aggression and output was great his rookie year. But aggression and a superstar mentality are not things that are automatically transferred to the next year. He's rarely performing like a superstar. His free pass is running out.

[KobeClutchAsFK]

I stated a time period in the previous sentence and was making a direct parallel with Anthony Davis within that time range. No revision, you were just very careful to not to quote the whole post so as to work your own little revisionist history. I obviously make references like "just have to dismiss him as not being a star player anymore." and "Its two years now, the moniker has been stretched long enough." And make another reference to the fact that he was once a superstar.

Blake Griffin had the most impressive rookie year of any power forward stat wise. He went after boards and got them. He went hard to the hoop and scored. His aggression and output was great his rookie year. But aggression and a superstar mentality are not things that are automatically transferred to the next year. He's rarely performing like a superstar. His free pass is running out.

Blake Griffin is still the same player he was his rookie year, he just now plays on a team with the deepest roster in the league. on a per-minute basis, he still produces numbers about equivalent to his rookie year. He just plays less minutes now.

[PieceOfFelt]

Blake Griffin is still the same player he was his rookie year, he just now plays on a team with the deepest roster in the league. on a per-minute basis, he still produces numbers about equivalent to his rookie year. He just plays less minutes now.

I disagree, I think he's better all around.

-Felt

[CavaliersFTW]

The thing about Blake Griffin is he already reached his ceiling his rookie season and has become grossly overrated by fans and the media because of it. He's regressed significantly every season since his rookie year and he can't even dunk like he used to, they actually had to rig a dunk contest for him to win . Fan interest in him is waning and he won't have a place in the league much longer the way his stats and production keep falling off a cliff.

Davis on the other hand has a higher ceiling, he just hasn't reached it yet, and can legitimately play and understand the game. I actually think he's already better than Snowflake Flippin. He's still learning the game, but he's already a multi dimensional player on both ends with lots of potential. Plus, he wasn't cursed with a T-rex wingspan.

[KobeClutchAsFK]

I disagree, I think he's better all around.

-Felt

When I said same player, I meant at least as good. You are right, he's actually quite a bit better than he was his rookie year.

The thing about Blake Griffin is he already reached his ceiling his rookie season and has become grossly overrated by fans and the media because of it. He's regressed significantly every season since his rookie year and he can't even dunk like he used to, they actually had to rig a dunk contest for him to win . Fan interest in him is waning and he won't have a place in the league much longer the way his stats and production keep falling off a cliff.

Davis on the other hand has a higher ceiling, he just hasn't reached it yet, and can legitimately play and understand the game. I actually think he's already better than Snowflake Flippin. He's still learning the game, but he's already a multi dimensional player on both ends with lots of potential. Plus, he wasn't cursed with a T-rex wingspan.

Blake Griffin did not reach his ceiling his rookie season. He had no jumpshot whatsoever, his FT shooting was almost dwight-esque, and he had no post game.

Now, he has a decent jumpshot that he can get ridiculously hot on (he torched my Lakers SO BADLY one of the games this season with a barrage of jumpers), his FT shooting has improved leaps and bounds, and he scores effectively now with his ugly post game.

From all reports, the guy works insanely hard on his game, and I bet next year he's going to be even better from midrange and the FT line, which will make him unguardable with his ability to blow by his defender in a face-up situation.

Anthony Davis does have a higher cieling IMO, but it remains to be seen if he will reach it. We've watched griffin improve over the years, we have to see if Davis expands his game next year to see if he's going to follow suit.

[CavaliersFTW]

When I said same player, I meant at least as good. You are right, he's actually quite a bit better than he was his rookie year.



Blake Griffin did not reach his ceiling his rookie season. He had no jumpshot whatsoever, his FT shooting was almost dwight-esque, and he had no post game.

Now, he has a decent jumpshot that he can get ridiculously hot on (he torched my Lakers SO BADLY one of the games this season with a barrage of jumpers), his FT shooting has improved leaps and bounds, and he scores effectively now with his ugly post game.

From all reports, the guy works insanely hard on his game, and I bet next year he's going to be even better from midrange and the FT line, which will make him unguardable with his ability to blow by his defender in a face-up situation.

Anthony Davis does have a higher cieling IMO, but it remains to be seen if he will reach it. We've watched griffin improve over the years, we have to see if Davis expands his game next year to see if he's going to follow suit.

sure thing clippersfan86

[KobeClutchAsFK]

sure thing clippersfan86

Haha, so anybody who respects blake griffin is a clippersfan86 alt? Don't ever associate me with that weirdo tranny-porn posting *******.

I'm not even a fan of the Dippers. I've always been a Lakers fan, I'm an LA native. My dad was a Lakers fan, my Grand-dad was a Lakers fan.

[chips93]

The thing about Blake Griffin is he already reached his ceiling his rookie season and has become grossly overrated by fans and the media because of it. He's regressed significantly every season since his rookie year and he can't even dunk like he used to, they actually had to rig a dunk contest for him to win . Fan interest in him is waning and he won't have a place in the league much longer the way his stats and production keep falling off a cliff.

[Ikill]

The thing about Blake Griffin is he already reached his ceiling his rookie season and has become grossly overrated by fans and the media because of it. He's regressed significantly every season since his rookie year and he can't even dunk like he used to, they actually had to rig a dunk contest for him to win . Fan interest in him is waning and he won't have a place in the league much longer the way his stats and production keep falling off a cliff.

Davis on the other hand has a higher ceiling, he just hasn't reached it yet, and can legitimately play and understand the game. I actually think he's already better than Snowflake Flippin. He's still learning the game, but he's already a multi dimensional player on both ends with lots of potential. Plus, he wasn't cursed with a T-rex wingspan.

He's a better mid range shooter free throw shooter post player and has significantly improved his defense. He's gone from one of the worst defenders in the NBA to a very good defender. His stats are not falling off he had a slow start and he's playing less minutes. He's averaging 1 point less per 36 than he was in his rookie year but his ts% is almost 3% higher. 0.5 more assists per 36 0.1 less turnovers 0.7 more blocks 0.2 more steals 4% higher from free throw line 9% higher at the rim and 6% higher from 10-16 feet. The Clippers are top 4 in the west with a top 10 offence and defense. The only area Blake has regressed in is rebounding

[qrich]

Did he take a step back last year for the bench too? He's the only superstar that I have ever seen in which his stats have gone down each of his first 3 years.


2010/2011 - 22.5/12.1/3.8
2011/2012 - 20.7/7.6/3.2
2012/2013 - 18.2/6.1/3.7



I'd be interested to know if there are any other stars that have seen their stats drop for their first 3 seasons. Usually players get better after the rookie year.

Season 1: 38.2 Minutes, 16.8 FGA, 54.9% TS, 111 oRTG, 107 DRTG
Season 2: 36.2 Minutes, 15.5 FGA, 55.7% TS, 113 oRTG, 104 DRTG
Season 3: 32.4 Minutes, 13.5 FGA, 57.4% TS, 115 oRTG, 102 DRTG

Oh, and it is 8.4 rebounds for this year, where the hell did you get 6.1 from? And it was 10.9 last year.

His rebounds dropping so much is though, but he has improved everywhere else to have a bigger offensive repertoire, and more consistent free throws. His defense has taken leaps as well.

What is this revisionist history where Blake Griffin has never had monster games without other superstars?

How quickly you forget his rookie season where he was dropping 30+ pretty often, with 40 point games thrown in.

Anthony Davis may very well become better but you guys are seriously underrating Blake Griffin.

You are new here, but truth is not allowed on these forums, just a heads up.

Blake had 47/14 on 19-24 his rookie year. And another 44/15/7 on 14-24 shooting. Never mind a dozen 30-39 point performances and six games of two rebounds away from a 20/20 outing.

[KG215]

Davis, for various reasons (injuries, play, foul trouble) has only played 30+ minutes in 29 of his 63 games this year. However, in those 29 games he has produced pretty well for a rookie:

29 G
35.0 MPG
16.5 PPG
10.5 RPG
1.3 APG
1.2 SPG
2.0 BPG
52.1% FG
70.4% FT

So, basically, when he gets minutes (30+) he's averaging 17-11-1-1-2 on 52% shooting. Again, that's pretty good for a rookie. Not on Blake or Duncan's level, but still pretty damn good.

[KobeClutchAsFK]

Davis, for various reasons (injuries, play, foul trouble) has only played 30+ minutes in 29 of his 63 games this year. However, in those 29 games he has produced pretty well for a rookie:

29 G
35.0 MPG
16.5 PPG
10.5 RPG
1.3 APG
1.2 SPG
2.0 BPG
52.1% FG
70.4% FT

So, basically, when he gets minutes (30+) he's averaging 17-11-1-1-2 on 52% shooting. Again, that's pretty good for a rookie. Not on Blake or Duncan's level, but still pretty damn good.

I'd like to see him get his assists up but man those are really good numbers. Dude could be a 20+/10+ bigman next year.

[Pointguard]

Blake Griffin is still the same player he was his rookie year, he just now plays on a team with the deepest roster in the league. on a per-minute basis, he still produces numbers about equivalent to his rookie year. He just plays less minutes now.

He's more productive than the greatest at the position KG, Barkley, Dirk, Duncan in their rookie year or when they were 20 but he has this reverse progression thing going on as his minutes, points and rebounds regress to 18 and 8 within the next two years and he's a better/equal player? Was he like the dumbest player ever when he was 22 and 12? His defense isn't great now either and its not like his team could use another star. A recent big game I was watching and he didn't score in the last three quarters? Was he scared of David West? Why did he stop himself against Houston? Why did you quote his rookie numbers?

Stars have big games.

[colorz]

Do people really believe Griffin isn't better now than his rookie year?

He plays 6 less minutes, so obviously his stats are going to go down.

This video shows you how much his game has expanded. He shows he can run the fast break, pass, shoot, rebound, block, pretty much everything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36kc2WjfpQQ

Watch some games, not stats.

[Sarcastic]

Season 1: 38.2 Minutes, 16.8 FGA, 54.9% TS, 111 oRTG, 107 DRTG
Season 2: 36.2 Minutes, 15.5 FGA, 55.7% TS, 113 oRTG, 104 DRTG
Season 3: 32.4 Minutes, 13.5 FGA, 57.4% TS, 115 oRTG, 102 DRTG

Oh, and it is 8.4 rebounds for this year, where the hell did you get 6.1 from? And it was 10.9 last year.

His rebounds dropping so much is though, but he has improved everywhere else to have a bigger offensive repertoire, and more consistent free throws. His defense has taken leaps as well.



You are new here, but truth is not allowed on these forums, just a heads up.

Blake had 47/14 on 19-24 his rookie year. And another 44/15/7 on 14-24 shooting. Never mind a dozen 30-39 point performances and six games of two rebounds away from a 20/20 outing.

You're right. I was looking at d-rebs. It still has dropped precipitously every year though from his rookie year.