1994 Bulls vs. 2015 Grizzlies

[3ball]

Both teams won 55 games and were eliminated in 2nd round.. But at the respective rosters, the Griz have way more talent:

Gasol > Pippen (DPOY superior defensive impact, equal offense)
Zach > Horace
Conley > Kukocs

Plus Tony Allen, Jeff Green, Vince Carter, Tayshaun Prince, Courtney Lee > Kerr, Wennington, etc.. MJ wouldn't need to average 30 PPG on the Griz to go 6/6.. But I'm sure he'd still get 5 MVP's and 6 FMVPs.

The fact that MJ could go 6/6 with such little comparative talent shows how much synergies his playing style realized with teammates... This is what happens when the GOAT scorer is an off-ball, highly ASSISTED player, which opens up playmaking/assist opportunities for teammates.. A high volume, highly-assisted style contrasts heavily with a lower-assisted, PG scoring style, which robs teammates of playmaking/assist opportunities, thus realizing less synergies and team results.
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[DonDadda59]

Gasol > Pippen

Yeezus

[aj1987]

Yeezus

OP, 29 > 17.

[LeBird]

I think 3ball is officially the dumbest poster on the Internet.

[3ball]

Yeezus

Regardless of whether you agree about Gasol and Pippen, the Grizzlies roster was far more talented than the 1994 Bulls.

But I suppose you think Horace is better than Randolph.. or Tony Allen, Jeff Green, Vince Carter, Tayshaun Prince, Courtney Lee > Kerr, Wennington, etc.

If that's the case, than Yeezus

The fact that MJ could go 6/6 with such little comparative talent shows how much synergies his playing style realized with teammates... This is what happens when the GOAT scorer is an off-ball, highly ASSISTED player, which opens up playmaking/assist opportunities for teammates.. A high volume, highly-assisted style contrasts heavily with a lower-assisted, PG scoring style, which robs teammates of playmaking/assist opportunities, thus realizing less synergies and team results.

[DonDadda59]

Regardless of whether you agree about Gasol and Pippen, the Grizzlies roster was FAR more talented than the 1994 Bulls it's not close.

So by your estimation, a FAR less talented Bulls team was able to win 55 games and make the second round because...

[3ball]

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I think 3ball is officially the dumbest poster on the Internet.

I'm assuming you agree that Marc Gasol, Zach Randolph, Mike Conley, Tony Allen, Jeff Green, Vince Carter, Tayshaun Prince, Courtney Lee > Pippen, Horace, Kukocs and a bunch of nobodies.

Otherwise, you're the dumb one.

[kshutts1]

Something can be said for chemistry, team makeup, shooting ability, etc, as well as superstar potential.

[aj1987]

So by your estimation, a FAR less talented Bulls team was able to win 55 games and make the second round because...

They played in a weak ass era. Come on, Don.

[KG215]

Gasol > Pippen?

[3ball]

So by your estimation, a FAR less talented Bulls team was able to win 55 games and make the second round because...

Since 1980, about 300 teams have made the 2nd round.. You don't need a talented team to do that.. So you should've stopped your post at the 55 wins part.. Adding the "2nd round" part detracted from your effort.

And 55 regular season wins is possible due to superior strategy coupled with a team that had superior focus, determination and know-how than the rest of the league.. This offsets their talent deficit to the Grizzlies.

But it's obvious that you're avoiding comparing the actual rosters - you just want to look at the surface 55 wins.. In that case, if we're just looking at the surface, then 6/6, let's all go home... But that's not what I'm doing - I'm showing other reasons why MJ's GOAT, like showing the 1994 Bulls had less talent than the 2015 Griz... But you're acting like such substance is garbage, and instead want to focus on the surface - 55 wins... In that case, 6/6... Forget the substance.
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[kshutts1]

What team had a more TALENTED roster...

2015 Clips or 2015 Rockets?

2011 Heat or 2011 Mavericks?

2014 Thunder or 2014 anyone else?

Talent is not the end-all, be-all. Even IF Memphis had the better relative roster, a lot can be said for chemistry, makeup, style, superstar factor, etc.

[DonDadda59]

Since 1980, about 300 teams have made the 2nd round.. You don't need a talented team to do that..

Uh... yes you do.

And 55 regular season wins is possible due to superior strategy coupled with a team that had superior focus, determination and know-how than the rest of the league.. This offsets their talent deficit to the Grizzlies.

So they were less talented individually but a better team?

But it's obvious that you're avoiding comparing the actual rosters -
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2011 Mavericks beat a shit load of teams that were much more talented individually than they were.

Same with the Spurs last year.

Clippers were far more talented than the Rockets this year.

So that begs the question... what exactly are you trying to argue... and why are you trying to argue it?

I really have no idea what you're trying to prove here.

[KG215]

Uh... yes you do.



So they were less talented individually but a better team?



2011 Mavericks beat a shit load of teams that were much more talented individually than they were.

Same with the Spurs last year.

Clippers were far more talented than the Rockets this year.

So that begs the question... what exactly are you trying to argue... and why are you trying to argue it?

I really have no idea what you're trying to prove here.

I agree with everything except the "Clippers were far more talented than the Rockets this year" part. The Rockets were/are considerably deeper. I'd take CP3 and Blake over Harden and Howard, but not by enough to make up for the Rockets being quite a bit deeper than the Clippers.

[3ball]

Rockets are more talented than Clips imo.