Kobe vs The Admiral

[TheMarkMadsen]

He would have won Finals MVP in '67 had they handed the award out then, so he would have had 2.

Wilt was the 5th leading scorer on his team and shot 31% from the line..

[SouBeachTalents]

Wilt was the 5th leading scorer on his team and shot 31% from the line..

He averaged 18, 29, 7 on 56%. None of his teammates that outscored him shot better than 46%. I assume by this logic you don't believe Russell would have won any Finals MVP's since he wasn't the teams leading scorer?

[stalkerforlife]

Robinson - Playoffs .199 WS/48

Kobe - Playoffs - .157 WS/48

I thought he was going to say Kobe

Then why was Kobe such a better winner?

Geeks and their stats.

[stalkerforlife]

Robinson led the league in RAPM 8 times in 9 years (90-99. The one year he didn't was the year he got hurt and the team went from 59 wins to 20 and won the lotto and got Tim Duncan). LOL at DRob getting carried by rookie TD to a title. He led the NBA in RAPM that year.

Kobe Bryant has never been in the top 5 in RAPM.

This is NOT a no-brainer. If it is its not for Kobe...

And LOL at anyone who doesn't know who the Admiral is. He had some struggles in the playoffs but he was definitively an all-time great. He would be a GOD in today's game.

5 > 1...(Sorry, the ring he won averaging 7 and 6 doesn't count)

But WTF was all that other drivel? RPM? I thought that was for cars or some shit.

[stalkerforlife]

Drob 90-99

56 win team.. second round loss
55 win team.. first round loss
47 win team.. first round loss(sweep)
49 win team.. first round loss
55 win team.. first round loss(sweep)
62 win team.. embarrassingly gets destroyed by Hakeem in WCF with HCA
59 win team.. second round loss
56 win team.. second round loss

For 99.. in the year he wasnt carried by Duncan.. TD averages 27/14 to Robinsons 16/12 in the Finals Same big disparity in total playoff averages as well. He was a second option by a huge margin.

Drob's like the CP3 of centers.. but even less closing ability.

/thread

[TheMarkMadsen]

He averaged 18, 29, 7 on 56%. None of his teammates that outscored him shot better than 46%. I assume by this logic you don't believe Russell would have won any Finals MVP's since he wasn't the teams leading scorer?

that was a huge leap...

but there are finals where Russell wouldn't have been FMVP. I think ISH had a discussion about it and came up with anywhere between 5-7 FMVPs for Russell, so it's not a stretch.. 31% from the line is just pathetic and hurt the team

[SouBeachTalents]

that was a huge leap...

but there are finals where Russell wouldn't have been FMVP. I think ISH had a discussion about it and came up with anywhere between 5-7 FMVPs for Russell, so it's not a stretch.. 31% from the line is just pathetic and hurt the team

So who would you have given the Finals MVP to for that '67 series?

[TheMarkMadsen]

So who would you have given the Finals MVP to for that '67 series?

It would have gone to Greer.

Wilt missed huge clutch free throws late in the 4th game 1, gave up 24/30/3 to the guy he was guarding... Greer had 32/10/6

in two out of the four games the 76ers won, Wilt only scored 10 points each game, although he did have some GREAT defensive games, he was never carrying the scoring load though.. The rebounding numbers look pretty gaudy.. until you realize that even with Wilt averaging 28.5 rebounds per game he still had 3 other teammates averaging 8+ rebounds per game, including Luke Jackson who was averaging 12.5 per game..

looking at the stats of the other team you'll see the same thing, Thurmond averaging 26.7 rebounds per game while still having multiple teammates grabbing 8+.. the game back then was obviously played at a much higher pace..

In game 2 the 76ers won by 30+ points even with Wilt missing 12 straight FTs, going 2 of 17 from the line, scoring 10 points.. and yet his team still won by 30+..

It would have come down to Greer or Wilt, with Greer most likely getting the vote, because if you look at the history of the award scoring is highly valued, even more so that somebody who was having a better all around series (see the 1981 finals for a great example)

It's definitely too close to just say Wilt would have been FMVP, it probably would have gone to Greer in all honesty

[rlsmooth775]

Then why was Kobe such a better winner?

Geeks and their stats.

Shaq Phil jackson gasol

[Round Mound]

Prime: Robinson
Career: Bryant

I Pick 1989-1996 Healthy Version of Robinson With Ease IMO.

[HOoopCityJones]

Prime: Robinson
Career: Bryant

I Pick 1989-1996 Healthy Version of Robinson With Ease IMO.

08-13 Kobe shits all over him. And that's not even his prime.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

08-13 Kobe shits all over him. And that's not even his prime.

[Psileas]

It would have gone to Greer.

Wilt missed huge clutch free throws late in the 4th game 1, gave up 24/30/3 to the guy he was guarding... Greer had 32/10/6

in two out of the four games the 76ers won, Wilt only scored 10 points each game, although he did have some GREAT defensive games, he was never carrying the scoring load though.. The rebounding numbers look pretty gaudy.. until you realize that even with Wilt averaging 28.5 rebounds per game he still had 3 other teammates averaging 8+ rebounds per game, including Luke Jackson who was averaging 12.5 per game..

looking at the stats of the other team you'll see the same thing, Thurmond averaging 26.7 rebounds per game while still having multiple teammates grabbing 8+.. the game back then was obviously played at a much higher pace..

In game 2 the 76ers won by 30+ points even with Wilt missing 12 straight FTs, going 2 of 17 from the line, scoring 10 points.. and yet his team still won by 30+..

It would have come down to Greer or Wilt, with Greer most likely getting the vote, because if you look at the history of the award scoring is highly valued, even more so that somebody who was having a better all around series (see the 1981 finals for a great example)

It's definitely too close to just say Wilt would have been FMVP, it probably would have gone to Greer in all honesty

When the Finals were over, everyone pretty much admitted that Wilt was the man that led them there. His coach claimed that there was no doubt who the greatest player in the game was, and such high praise wouldn't be given for someone outplayed by Greer.
Greer did fine, but a FG% of 39.9% (on almost 25 FGA's per game), whereas his teammates shot a collective 46.4%, isn't an indicator of an efficient scorer, but a chucker. And, if you want to talk about Wilt's rebounding, I also remind you that Greer had 2 teammates averaging 20+ ppg, on better efficiency. And then comes defense...
Better all around series? Since when is 26/8/6 a better all-around series than 18/29/7/countless blocks? All Greer has over Wilt is practically FT%.

[JohnFreeman]

Kobe is obviously better you shit heads

[ImKobe]

Prime: Robinson
Career: Bryant

I Pick 1989-1996 Healthy Version of Robinson With Ease IMO.