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Re: Would Kobe retire with Duncan having one more ring than him?
Originally Posted by kennethgriffin
when comparing guards to bigs its useless to say "this guy was the better rebounder"
it comes with being a PF/C thats 7 feet tall
kobe in comparison to other SG's is one of the greatest rebounders of all time
and both are all time great defenders
its not like duncan ever won a DPOTY... even though the award is geared towards bigs
a F/C also has an unfair advantage in making all nba and all defensive teams
duncan had 36 more chances in his career to make both 1st team all nba and 1st team defense combined ( F/F/C voting slots compared to kobes G/G )
18 for each end x2
yet overall kobe has 20 ( 11 and 9 ) and duncan has 18 ( 10 and 8 )
why is that? yes i know people wanna say duncan was more valuable cause of his position. but duncans played most of his career in an era where Bigs were a dead position. the average big man scores 10 ppg less than a guard
so kobe spent more energy chasing around guys who scored the ball twice as much
its not like dunk/layup attempts in traffic happen more than 4-5 times a game anyway.... most are when a guys wide open
duncan has 1-2 blocks a game. good for him. he saved 2-4 points out of 100
in the end its all pretty even with advantages for each guy based on position
scoring is the only translatable attribute between any position or size
and kobe absolutely blasts tim with fecal matter
its not like bigs dont have the chances to score 25-30... shaq did it
yet duncans sliding by with 15ppg as if hes bill russell averaging 25rpg/anchoring the offense with playmaking and playing the GOAT defense
nope.. its just 15ppg with good rebounding for a 7 footer while not really effecting the outcome when skipping back to backs
next year duncan wont even be needed. he'l be an 8ppg role player 7th option off the bench for 15 minutes a game
that title sure as f*ck wont count because his last one barely did with twice the output
tldr, but boiled down, duncan and kobe are roughly equivalent on the offensive end while duncan can be your leader and most impactful defender and kobe can not. im sorry but being 7 foot tall and player in the middle almost gives him that edge by default. only some like MJ would have bigger two-way impact on the game because he is >> duncan/kobe on offense and duncan > mj > kobe on defense.
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Re: Would Kobe retire with Duncan having one more ring than him?
Originally Posted by BuffaloBill
Stopped reading right there
winning role player rings to catch the all time greatest michael jordan would bring on an insane level of heat and scrutiny
duncan flew under the radar his whole life and avoided criticism because he never challenged the jordan gang
winning 6 would instantly bring voids to half his rings.
people gave duncan overrated credit for his titles all the way up to #5 because it was mainly kobe haters wanting to have fuel to attack him
if he passed kobe theyed have to reconsider their stance
the same people who boasted about duncan all this time would suddenly feel a need to defend jordan in any debate
trust me... winning 6 would be worse than retiring with 5
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Re: Would Kobe retire with Duncan having one more ring than him?
think of it this way
if bill russell had 5 titles .... the overall opinion would be by most that bill has 5 titles
but the minute anyone has 6 or more... then all of a sudden that players rings become half the value
7... 8.... 9.... 10....11
russell could have won 15 rings... 20 rings... wouldnt matter... the minute its more than Mike it becomes void
thats just the way the basketball community judges things
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Re: Would Kobe retire with Duncan having one more ring than him?
When will you fools realize that attempting to argue with a sociopathic, delusional, alcoholic troll like kennethgriffin is fruitless? Everyone, even other Lakers fans, know's he's a disgraceful tw*t.
This stalking beta even has Kobe jersey framed and put up on his wall. He'll have a response for everything because he doesn't attempt to include any sort of logic or rationality in his posts.
He posts some funny gifs doe
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The Beast In Me
Re: Would Kobe retire with Duncan having one more ring than him?
Patty and Manu getting more shots than Duncan.
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Re: Would Kobe retire with Duncan having one more ring than him?
Originally Posted by T_L_P
Patty and Manu getting more shots than Duncan.
theres 2 bigmen ( aldridge/west ) playing ahead of duncan with a forward also getting more shots ( kawhi )
patty will get 6-7 shots per game
manu will get 8 shots per game
duncan might get 5 shots per game
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NJ Net Fan For Life.
Re: Would Kobe retire with Duncan having one more ring than him?
I don't think he has a choice at a certain point
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The Beast In Me
Re: Would Kobe retire with Duncan having one more ring than him?
Originally Posted by kennethgriffin
theres 2 bigmen ( aldridge/west ) playing ahead of duncan with a forward also getting more shots ( kawhi )
patty will get 6-7 shots per game
manu will get 8 shots per game
duncan might get 5 shots per game
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Re: Would Kobe retire with Duncan having one more ring than him?
Originally Posted by kennethgriffin
in what way
prime kobe could shut down most star players
its way harder trying to stop a guy that averages 25ppg than a guy that averages 10ppg
When the **** has Kobe ever shut anyone down?
Oh, and big men also stop perimeter players form scoring in the paint.
Originally Posted by kennethgriffin
duncan defended big men during the sh*t era for big men.. not impressed
How many world class SG's did Kobe defend in the PO's? Duncan at least player against Shaq, Bosh, LMA, etc..
Originally Posted by kennethgriffin
and even if duncan was better defensively. kobe has 5 times the scoring accolades/achievements/milestones
Duncan is 5 times better defensively.
Originally Posted by kennethgriffin
and he even has more defensive accolades than duncan.
Honestly, Kobe probably deserved only 3-4 first team All-Def and 3-4 2nd teams.
Originally Posted by kennethgriffin
if you factor in season ending injuries for kobe.. duncans had even more than that
Like Kobe was even going to be considered to make one the past two years. Wait. Considering it's Kobe and how he is gifted those All-Def selections, I wouldn't be surprised.
Originally Posted by kennethgriffin
yet..... kobe = 9 all defensive 1st teams, duncan = 8 al defensive 1st teams
Duncan also has 7 2nd team selections, dipshit.
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Re: Would Kobe retire with Duncan having one more ring than him?
And still they continue to argue. kennethgriffin, for all his numerous faults, is living in this board's head rent free. A sad sight.
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Re: Would Kobe retire with Duncan having one more ring than him?
Originally Posted by aj1987
How many world class SG's did Kobe defend in the PO's? Duncan at least player against Shaq, Bosh, LMA, etc..
Jeff Hornacek
Hersey Hawkins
Penny Hardaway
Steve Smith
Reggie Miller
Chris Mullin
Doug Christie
Derek Anderson
Allen Iverson
Kerry Kittles
Manu
Ray Allen
Countless more...(using the standard of 'world-class' players like Bosh/LMA)
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The Beast In Me
Re: Would Kobe retire with Duncan having one more ring than him?
Originally Posted by Kobe_6/8
Jeff Hornacek
Hersey Hawkins
Penny Hardaway
Steve Smith
Reggie Miller
Chris Mullin
Doug Christie
Derek Anderson
Allen Iverson
Kerry Kittles
Manu
Ray Allen
Countless more...(using the standard of 'world-class' players like Bosh/LMA)
Half of those players were washed up when Kobe played them.
The best Mullin did with Kobe in the league was 13 PPG.
Derek Anderson is in the same class as Bosh/LMA?
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Re: Would Kobe retire with Duncan having one more ring than him?
Originally Posted by kennethgriffin
theres 2 bigmen ( aldridge/west ) playing ahead of duncan with a forward also getting more shots ( kawhi )
patty will get 6-7 shots per game
manu will get 8 shots per game
duncan might get 5 shots per game
Who was the BEST player on the Spurs in 2007?
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Decent college freshman
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College superstar
Re: Would Kobe retire with Duncan having one more ring than him?
Originally Posted by kennethgriffin
my bad. duncan wouldnt even be 6th option. i forgot about david west
duncan might average 8ppg this year if lucky
Some 7th option - Duncan was the best Spur this last playoff:
2015 Playoffs
Duncan 17.9 pts / 11.1 rebs / 3.3 asst / 1.3 stl / 1.4 blks 58.9%
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