Why is Jordan's 1996 finals celebrated, and LeBron's 2015 finals not?

[Droid101]

that doesn't even make sense. the bulls threw away the last 2 games because "they felt like it"?

spoken like a dweeb behind a keyboard.

Every post you make is spoken like a 13 year old who started watching basketball in 2011.

Future neg.

[Magic 32]

And Payton didn't switch onto him till half way through game 3...where he was then locked up by a pg...pathetic.

Better than being outscored...

[SouBeachTalents]

And Payton didn't switch onto him till half way through game 3...where he was then locked up by a pg...pathetic.

Lol, it's not like it was any "PG", Payton is one of the greatest perimeter defenders of all time, even won DPOY that year

[mehyaM24]

Every post you make is spoken like a 13 year old who started watching basketball in 2011.

Future neg.

is that supposed to hurt my feelings?

seriously, "feels like it" and "not trying" are 2 of the dumbest answers to jordan being shut-down i've ever read. congrats on not knowing anything about the topic.

[Droid101]

is that supposed to hurt my feelings?

Nope. But since you're admitting it, this fact certainly calls any type of credibility you think you have into question.

Hold this L

[tpols]

And Payton didn't switch onto him till half way through game 3...where he was then locked up by a pg...pathetic.

uh.. too little, too late. Jordan applied the pressure when it was necessary. And that run is nothing more than icing on the cake.. not the foundation. Brons last Finals, while a valiant effort at first to try and drag the game to a crawl and even get a series lead out of it was ultimately unsustainable since his jumper was so broke.. and he wasn't facing a prime GP, rather an old out of prime iggy who previous to the series had been pretty much unheard of all season production/impact wise.

[G0ATbe]

"Why don't we celebrate losing?"

[mehyaM24]

Lol, it's not like it was any "PG", Payton is one of the greatest perimeter defenders of all time, even won DPOY that year

payton was a defensive maestro, but still, jordan got shut-down to the likes we haven't seen in ANY of his finals performances. the closest was back vs the knicks in 93 who completely thrashed him outside of his 55 point game. the heat did a pretty good job on him in 97 as well.

but again, that's been my point all along. why does jordan's series and 6/6 stuff get spammed here incessantly as if he was some perfect cyborg in the finals, individually. lebron outplayed him by all objective measures last year yet he's still labeled a "2/6 loser".

[Asukal]

Because Jordan had more stacked teammates.
Give Lebron Baldan's teammates and give baldan Lebron's teammates, everyone would celebrate Lebron instead of Jordan.

Objectively, 2015 Lebron finals > 1996 Jordan finals

Replace MJ with lebaldo in 96 and GP wins FMVP.

[SouBeachTalents]

payton was a defensive maestro, but still, jordan got shut-down to the likes we haven't seen in ANY of his finals performances. the closest was back vs the knicks in 93 who completely thrashed him outside of his 55 point game. the heat did a pretty good job on him in 97 as well.

but again, that's been my point all along. why does jordan's series and 6/6 stuff get spammed here incessantly as if he was some perfect cyborg in the finals, individually. lebron outplayed him by all objective measures last year yet he's still labeled a "2/6 loser".

Jordan had what, 3-4 legitimately bad games in 6 Finals, that's pretty damn indicative of how great he was. How many bad Finals games has LeBron had? Hell, how many bad Finals has LeBron had?

[mehyaM24]

Jordan had what, 2 legitimately bad games in 6 Finals, that's pretty damn indicative of how great he was. How many bad Finals games has LeBron had? Hell, how many bad Finals has LeBron had?

how many bad finals games did lebron have this past series vs golden state? because that's the comparison here.
so, with nearly a 30 point triple-double average, i'm curious as to which games he really played awful in.

[livinglegend]

Jordan had what, 3-4 legitimately bad games in 6 Finals, that's pretty damn indicative of how great he was. How many bad Finals games has LeBron had? Hell, how many bad Finals has LeBron had?

you are going off topic.
He was talking about 96 and 2015.

[Asukal]

how many bad finals games did lebron have this past series vs golden state? because that's the comparison here.
so, with nearly a 30 point triple-double average, i'm curious as to which games he really played awful in.

He had 1 or 2 bad games but what's more important is he wasn't a closer. When crunch time came, he couldn't do shit.

[3ball]

Why is Jordan's 1996 finals celebrated, and LeBron's 2015 finals not?

Lebron's 2015 Finals isn't celebrated for the same reason that many of MJ's playoff series weren't celebrated, even though he put up the best stats in the series: because he LOST those series.

Otoh, MJ gets celebrated when he WINS a playoff series while putting up the best stats of anyone in the series (i.e. 1996 Finals, 1991 Finals, or any playoff series he was ever in).

Anyone can get stats for the purpose of getting stats, but it takes an entirely different level of ability to get those same stats while using an approach that can actually win.

MJ had worse all-around numbers, play, and scoring

That's where you're wrong - MJ played better than Lebron - MJ's style allowed his team to employ a superior brand of basketball - that's why they could win 72 games, while Lebron with Love and Kyrie healthy all year only won 52.

Also, the game played differently in 1996.

You couldn't clear out the strongside by forcing defenders to guard 3-point shooters on the far weakside, because those 3-point shooters didn't exist.

Consequently, MJ didn't get nearly as many isolations as Lebron got against Atlanta and Golden State.

And when MJ did get isolations, there were no shooters spreading the floor on the weakside - defenders could stay on the strongside and consequently, were closer to help on strongside action - compare the difference between the defense Lebron faced, and the defense MJ faced - night and day:

Warrior's defense on Lebron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR7oP6NmfHQ
Sonics' defense on Jordan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WpkXlrJxtw

Give Lebron Baldan's teammates and give baldan Lebron's teammates, everyone would celebrate Lebron instead of Jordan.

Not unless he averaged 36/6/8 on 53% in the Finals like MJ did thru 30 years old (his first 3-peat), instead of Lebron's 26/6/7 on 44% career Finals averages...

See, that's where your argument falls down - for your statement to be true, Lebron would have to put up FAR better stats than he has put up thus far -

He'd have to put up the exact same stats as MJ, and he's simply a LONG way off from that:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=381330
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[livinglegend]

3-0 is all you need.

Series is basically over.

Jordan showed up at the right time, then his teammates took it home in game 6.

Where was Lebron in game 4 and 6?

Where was he at the end of game 1,2, 5 and 6?

The Cavs should have won the first 3 games.

The series was 3-0, but Lebron had better stats after 3 games and it wasn't 3-0. It just shows how stacked the bulls were.
And don't forget, in game 3, Payton switched on Jordan.
That's why his stats slipped. Not because ''it was over''.