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Old 03-18-2011, 05:08 PM   #451
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I don't think Rondo is overrated. He is a good. Rondo doesn't focus on scoring, with the big 3, his job is to facilitate and help others score. Controlling the whole Boston offense pretty much.
A different example.
In football, to be a great quarterback is impressive since you have to assume that the defense is everywhere. Kurt Warner was tearing it up in the Arena Football League as a speed-junky type of surgeon, picking apart defenses in a very compact environment. It wasnít so much that Warner had a longer field to work with in throwing the ball; he now had so much room from side-to-side to operate. A wider field meant incredible freedom in how he approached the passing game. You could wait a little longer on crossing routes. Swing passes out of the backfield were now much more fruitful. The defense wasnít making him so claustrophobic.

Rondo is not complete yet, but the the reason he is leading the NBA in assists this year is because he is a bad shooter. The opponents playing off him is a big reason why.
Opening the field of play visually for a great QB like Kurt Warner is just like playing off of Rajon Rondo because heís a bad shooter. The playing off Rondo strategy drives me insane. A lot of people want to discount Rajon Rondoís production because heís playing with Hall of Famers and personally, I think thatís a crock of excrement.

\Teams are giving him an NFL field to work with on the NBA court. Everybody knows Rajon Rondo is a poor outside shooter. Sure, you can point out that itís improved and he once hit a bunch of 3s in a H-O-R-S-E competition. Remember his shootout with Durant? But the truth is, in a real game, Rajon Rondo canít shoot.

You know who else knows that Rajon isnít a good shooter? Rajon Rondo. He knows itís a low percentage shot for him to just take the bait and pull up for a jumper. If he does that to bail the defense out instead of attacking and/or setting up his teammates than heís failed as a point guard. If Rondo needed to be a scorer, he could do it. He could take jumpers from mid range until he was comfortable enough with it. He could drive to the basket with ease and get the ball to the backboard instead of looking for a cutter or spot-up shooter.

Instead, Rondo shows patience out there and instead of trying to show how much of a man he is by shooting the ball, heís point guarding the hell out of the defense by using the space given to him as a head start.

By playing off Rondo daring him to shoot, you are giving him all the passing angles he could ever want. Youíre not going to prevent him from driving by playing up on him. Heís very good with the ball and probably quicker than you. But by playing up on Rondo, youíd be making him turn his body to protect the ball and cut down a lot of his vision on the court.
Rondo has a gigantic field in front of him to work with in almost every game, while he out-waits opponents. He makes smart decisions The defense is nowhere to be found bothering him.
Rondo is a great player, there's no way he's overrated. And did we even rank him above Chris Paul or Deron Will? I think not.
great post. i too go crazy when i see defenders sagging off Rondo. i'm like, dude, you're giving him all the space to see the passing lanes. are you stupid?
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Old 03-18-2011, 05:08 PM   #452
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I'm just more impressed someone bookmarked this or searched for it, and bumped it and it wasn't even a Bulls fan that did.
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Old 03-18-2011, 05:10 PM   #453
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I've been saying for a long time Wall > Rondo
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I've been saying for a long time Wall > Rondo

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By a long time you mean 6 months right?
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By a long time you mean 6 months right?

Nah, Wall's been better than Rondo since before either of them were born.

Did someone really have to bump this? CBA with another 30 pages of Bulls fans forgetting how good Rondo is.

BTW this thread is a great compliment for the Bulls fans calm down thread.
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Letís discuss just how overrated Rondo TRULY is.

First letís look at his shot attempts.
In his five years in the NBA heís averaged this many shot attempts per year
Attempts Minutes
5.8 23.5
9.3 29.9
9.5 33.0
11.2 36.6
9.3 37.8

This is particularly interesting not only because his attempts are back down this year to his Sophomore levels, but because of the extra 8 minutes a game heís playing. I wonder why heís shooting less?

Well it could be because heís actually a very POOR shooter, and isnít really getting any better at that
Around the rim he shoots 64%(on 4.1 attempts per game)
<10 feet 48.5%(1.2 attempts per game)
10-15 feet 30%(.4 per game)
16-23 45%(2.8 per game)

Ouch. But to further examine that letís compare him to his peers

Chris Paul
at rim 71.8%
<10 47.5%
10-15 43.1%
16-23 43%

Ouchies.

Deron Williams
At rim 59.2%
<10 46.7%
10-15 36.2%
16-23 46%
Interesting....
So thatís basically why Rondo doesnít shoot, or score. Really he canít especially compared to his peers. Which explains why players can play off of him now on defense, all they have to worry about is him driving into the paint to score.

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?...ron%20Williams
http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Rajon%20Rondo
http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Chris%20Paul

Next letís tackle his supposedly best rebounding point guard numbers
This year itís a nice ...4.6
Deron a 3.7
Rose 4.5
lastly CP3 with 4.3
So of those four yes, he is the best. However he A. isnít dominant over them at all really. And Russell Westbrook is actually better with 4.9 So really heís just an upper echelon point guard rebounder


And now for Rondoís vaunted passing abilities. First letís give credit where the credit IS due, He does average a highly impressive 13.4. And he also averages 4.1 turnovers, which is the worst of any point guard I found. So props to the guy for leading the league in assists. The Celtics for a whole actually shoot right over 50%, including the big 3. Which is heavily impressive.

This in turn takes me to where the overrated part of his passing game is. First letís discuss his absence. As I mentioned the team as a whole shoots over 50% from the field.
Now letís look at the games he missed and what they shot
53% http://www.basketball-reference.com/...012160BOS.html
50.6% http://www.basketball-reference.com/...012050NJN.html
54% http://www.basketball-reference.com/...012190BOS.html
39% http://www.basketball-reference.com/...012220BOS.html
34.6% http://www.basketball-reference.com/...012250ORL.html
50.7% http://www.basketball-reference.com/...012280IND.html
43.4% http://www.basketball-reference.com/...012310BOS.html
48% http://www.basketball-reference.com/...011210TOR.html
53.3% http://www.basketball-reference.com/...011220ATL.html
46.3% http://www.basketball-reference.com/...011240BOS.html
51.5% http://www.basketball-reference.com/...012290DET.html

Giving them an average shooting of 47% each game.
Obviously thatís not the historical rate their shooting at now, but still not missing a beat either, given that the league average right now is 45.6% a game. So itís definitely more than possible that while sure he does ďimproveĒ their passing, theyíd still be completely fine with out him. AND they would still be amongst the league leaders.

Lastly, his defense....wow. MUCH to be desired. an INCREDIBLE AMOUNT of benefit he gets playing with his bigs particularly Kevin Garnett. The Celtics actually play MUCH better defense without Rondo(with KG), and their offense hardly slips at all, even though theyíre using a backup point guard whoís more of a scorer (Nate Robinson). And then have no real backup behind him.

BUT the best part is really that, those offensive numbers are down because of ONE game. in fact, if you remove the magic game theyíre averaging
96.1 points
49.1% from the field
and lastly 22.5 Assists

All of which is JUST BARELY below their normal averages anyways. Keep ind mind thatís with a backup shoot first pass later point guard taking the shots, and with no depth, due to Delonte West being out. They go from 94.1 without him to 98.9 with him

Now defensively, this gets really good. Without Rondo, and with Garnett...theyíre holding teams to 85.2 points. Thatís right a HUGE drop off.

FGs 36.6/77.1---38.4/76.6

FTAs: 22.3---22.3
Assists: 21.7---24.6
W-L: .778----.778
Margin of victory 8.9---7.5

On the left is without on the right with. So basically they trade in a couple of assists for the same win-loss record and a better margin of victory. Trade 4 points to take away 6. Thus proving heís actually...not that good of a defender And you say theyíre getting less field goal percentage? Well theyíre getting more shot attempts due to more rebounds!

Even more interesting the pace didnít change. The Celtics literally rebound more, take the same amount of free throws, get MORE field goal attempts, and still somehow the opposing takes less, shots and less effective ones.

And that my friends is why Rajon Rondo is really overrated.

EDITED: For putting in shot attempts per game, in their respective location.


Great analysis, given a lot time has passed since this posts, is your position the same, what do the stats show now ?
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All his stats have gone up this year.
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Great analysis, given a lot time has passed since this posts, is your position the same, what do the stats show now ?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...shooting/2013/

Rondo shooting 53.7% from midrange, and 31% from 3 (not at all impressive for anyone but him). The 3pt% higher than CP3 who is shooting way below career average at 27%, you'd expect that to even out. Deron Williams is also shooting below career average at 26.8%. With Rose not playing, Rondo is the best 3pt shooter out of any of them this year. Even Westbrook is shooting 34%, although that's above career average.
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