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Old 02-17-2018, 08:18 PM   #16
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Default Re: True Or False: We've Entered The Area Of Inflated Stats (Again)

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But mj averaged 37 ppg without teammates spacing the floor for him:

League-wide 2 point FG %:

1987: 49.0%
2018: 51.0%

Shots are less contested today due to the spacing

Also, you should be looking at league-wide Ortg, which is points per 100 possessions, since this accounts for pace..

And Ortg reached all-time highs this season and last season, despite the lowest-ever offensive rebounding rate, which increases Ortg
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Ortg is better due to three point shooting.

1987: 30%
2018: 36% at much higher volume
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:29 PM   #17
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And if you just insisted on trying to put the times against each other I think will be more accurate to say the late 90s to mid 2000s simply had deflated stats and you can leave the rest of history alone.

In time we have to stop acting like that brief run of maddening low scores and boring playoff games was like....standard basketball.

That time will stand out more for poor offenses and great d than the rest of time will for somehow inflating numbers.

I donít know why one 10 or 12 year run is being considered the baseline that we compare the rest of history to.

That stretch is likely to be the true aberration.

The way teams play now? The shooting and effort to generate space and driving lanes? If it is this way for the next 50 years we still going to keep calling the numbers inflated in comparison to one brief stretch of incredible defense?

Basketball in the NBA is unlikely to go back to what it was 40 years ago. When its been this way long enough this is just what basketball is. You have to look big picture on these things. People get hung up over 10 years like that stretch of frankly bad offensive basketball was somehow the way things are supposed to be.

Basketball isnít supposed to be any way in particular. At no point was it pure or untouched and if it was....you wouldnít wanna watch those games.
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Old 02-18-2018, 02:05 AM   #18
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Ortg is better due to three point shooting.

1987: 30%
2018: 36% at much higher volume
offensive rebounding rate declined from 33.4% in 1987 to 22.3% today - that has a tremendous impact in reducing ORtg

The change in eFG from 48.8% in 1987, to 52.2% today isn't enough to offset the massive decline in 2nd chance points

So the current record setting ortg is due to additional factors, like greater spacing - teams attempted 5 threesper game in 87', versus 29 per game today - It's common knowledge that spacing makes virtually all aspects of offense easier
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Old 02-18-2018, 04:20 AM   #19
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And if you just insisted on trying to put the times against each other I think will be more accurate to say the late 90s to mid 2000s simply had deflated stats and you can leave the rest of history alone.

In time we have to stop acting like that brief run of maddening low scores and boring playoff games was like....standard basketball.

That time will stand out more for poor offenses and great d than the rest of time will for somehow inflating numbers.

I donít know why one 10 or 12 year run is being considered the baseline that we compare the rest of history to.

That stretch is likely to be the true aberration.

The way teams play now? The shooting and effort to generate space and driving lanes? If it is this way for the next 50 years we still going to keep calling the numbers inflated in comparison to one brief stretch of incredible defense?

Basketball in the NBA is unlikely to go back to what it was 40 years ago. When its been this way long enough this is just what basketball is. You have to look big picture on these things. People get hung up over 10 years like that stretch of frankly bad offensive basketball was somehow the way things are supposed to be.

Basketball isnít supposed to be any way in particular. At no point was it pure or untouched and if it was....you wouldnít wanna watch those games.

Well first and foremost basketball is, in theory, supposed to be a zero/low-contact finesse sport unlike football. If it was played like it was "supposed" to have been back in its inception then no one would watch it and, you'd have them change the rules like they did to Mikan and Wilt because they were too dominant.

However no one wants to see one player dominate everyone, and what makes football so popular is the contact. Violence and drama sells but you obviously don't wanna see someone get hurt, but there were times in Hockey where damn near half of someone's face came off iirc

Point is though is it depends on who you talk to.

If you go on Youtube and read most comments a lot of people don't bring up stats too much. They just mostly go by what they see (eye test) and draw their own conclusions.

Our community is different.

Casual fans, again, don't put too much stock on stats because they barely even know what they mean.

No one says "remember that time Jordan average 30+ points and 11+ assits in the finals against Magic?"

Hell barely anyone bring up Lebron averaging a triple double....because he lost.

Most fans only see winners and losers.

That's why I don't buy this "FMVP" non-sense with Curry. All the fans know is that he's an amazing player and that he won two rings.

Same will be said about Durant (and they'll keep playing that clip where he hit the 3 in Lebron's face to win the game over and over again too)

But I'm asking this community for their opinion for a reason...because most people here know that these stats we're seeing might need to be contextualized even more.

Now do you agree or no? Why or why not?
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