It sucks that MVP voters will shy away from Rose

[donald_trump]

how does that explain the media glossing over his ownage of CP and the Clips. There are still some saying he's not the best PG. Also they'll show Lebron and Kobe at ratios of 10 to 1 to Rose, who they choose to simply ignore. and lol at the Bulls being better without rose

never said they were better without rose. your words.

rose got more media hype than anyone after the decision last year. it was sickening. seeing him get credit for a lot of moments he didnt infact deserve. much like his mvp award.

[nathanjizzle]

never said they were better without rose. your words.

rose got more media hype than anyone after the decision last year. it was sickening. seeing him get credit for a lot of moments he didnt infact deserve. much like his mvp award.

you sure know alot about rose for someone that didnt watch more then 3 bulls games last season.

[Poodle]

i think Rose is way too hyped here. i mean he's great, and right there at superstar status, but people act like he's great in every facet with no flaws, and just so many excuses for anything bad on him its like Kobe fans all over again

[Tenchi Ryu]

Don't know how he's way too hyped when he's a guaranteed Top 5 player, and arguably top 3 in the league. Of course he has flaws, its the fact that he tries to improve these flaws every year, and it shows every year. That and him possessing the same Hunger that would make MJ proud, makes sense he gets so much Hype.

There is no other PG, and very few players in the league who can completely DOMINATE and control a game like Rose. When you have LBJ trying to take over and dominate the game, then Rose actually accepting the challenge and fight back, that's DAMN impressive.

[hawksdogsbraves]

This thread might be warranted if Rose hadn't, you know, WON the MVP last year

[Poodle]

Don't know how he's way too hyped when he's a guaranteed Top 5 player, and arguably top 3 in the league. Of course he has flaws, its the fact that he tries to improve these flaws every year, and it shows every year. That and him possessing the same Hunger that would make MJ proud, makes sense he gets so much Hype.

There is no other PG, and very few players in the league who can completely DOMINATE and control a game like Rose. When you have LBJ trying to take over and dominate the game, then Rose actually accepting the challenge and fight back, that's DAMN impressive.

thats what he's SUPPOSED to do as the superstar for the Bulls. anything less than that wouldn't make him a superstar....but this is what i'm talking about, where a lot of people make up reasons to praise him. its like some huge fad right now on ISH to be a Rose fan, at least it feels that way.

even when he choked at the end of last game the excuses and lack of owning up to it here were absurd.

threads talking about poor grades but being smart in life to justify Rose's IQ...

i mean the stuff people are saying is as bad or worse than the praise people used to heap on Kobe here.

i also don't think Rose is that great other than in a scoring capacity. he's not the best passer whatsoever imo, but he's still young so i'm sure theres a lot he will get better at.

[Sarcastic]

Don't know how he's way too hyped when he's a guaranteed Top 5 player, and arguably top 3 in the league. Of course he has flaws, its the fact that he tries to improve these flaws every year, and it shows every year. That and him possessing the same Hunger that would make MJ proud, makes sense he gets so much Hype.

There is no other PG, and very few players in the league who can completely DOMINATE and control a game like Rose. When you have LBJ trying to take over and dominate the game, then Rose actually accepting the challenge and fight back, that's DAMN impressive.

This is complete utter Bullshit. He has like 1 triple double in his career. He can certainly score very well, but he doesn't dominate other facets of the game at all.

[Tenchi Ryu]

This is complete utter Bullshit. He has like 1 triple double in his career. He can certainly score very well, but he doesn't dominate other facets of the game.

His scoring alone cause him to be a threat that has to be double and triple teamed routinely. Cutting through the opposition the way he does, he at times can not be stopped. How is that NOT dominating the game, when he at times can be the SOLE reason your team is getting shitted on. Or how an entire 4th quarter is FILLED with Rose taking away any chance you have of coming back. The fact teams can be shooting lights out, and STILL can't get the lead is a testament to that.

And even looking at other facets of his game, Leadership and overall decision making makes him lethal. He makes decisions on whether to take it to the hole, or dish it to the teammate he feels can drop the shot. You rarely ever here about Rose's decision making being questionable.

And I said very few....Who else in the league can currently take over a game, and FORCE the opposing team (constant double, triple teams) to try to stop them?

I can only think of is Lebron, Howard, and Kobe at the moment.

[Tenchi Ryu]

even when he choked at the end of last game the excuses and lack of owning up to it here were absurd.

Don't matter, in the end, Rose himself didn't excuse anything, and blamed himself. Its this that makes him great, he fails and learns from it, making him stronger overall.

threads talking about poor grades but being smart in life to justify Rose's IQ...

Poor grades is not the automatic clarification someone is dumb. People just do bad in school, it happens. If he was dumb, he would never be able to learn basketball plays, or remember things on the court.

i also don't think Rose is that great other than in a scoring capacity. he's not the best passer whatsoever imo, but he's still young so i'm sure theres a lot he will get better at.

His passing might not be the best, but its FAR from the worst, even far from average. He's averaging very good assist numbers now, and makes smart passes. He honestly looks like a quarterback at times with some of his nicely timed bullets.

[Sarcastic]

His scoring alone cause him to be a threat that has to be double and triple teamed routinely. Cutting through the opposition the way he does, he at times can not be stopped. How is that NOT dominating the game, when he at times can be the SOLE reason your team is getting shitted on. Or how an entire 4th quarter is FILLED with Rose taking away any chance you have of coming back. The fact teams can be shooting lights out, and STILL can't get the lead is a testament to that.

And even looking at other facets of his game, Leadership and overall decision making makes him lethal. He makes decisions on whether to take it to the hole, or dish it to the teammate he feels can drop the shot. You rarely ever here about Rose's decision making being questionable.

And I said very few....Who else in the league can currently take over a game, and FORCE the opposing team (constant double, triple teams) to try to stop them?

I can only think of is Lebron, Howard, and Kobe at the moment.

You can add Durant, Melo, Wade, Westbrook, and Love to that list too.

[greymatter]

Don't know how he's way too hyped when he's a guaranteed Top 5 player, and arguably top 3 in the league.

His team crushing everyone but Memphis while he was out hurts his case. Can't think of very many people other than Bulls homers and Rose-stans who wouldn't take LBJ, KD, D12, and maybe Kobe over Rose. He's hardly "guaranteed" top 5. A healthy and productive DWade "guarantees" that Rose isn't a top 5 player and relegates him to at best #6. CP3 is looking close to his old self and is putting up 18/9 on 50/44/86 with a 4.7 assist/t.o ratio with a team he is learning to play with on the fly. His team is thus far easily the most-improved. Even with Wade having a crap season thus far, it is easily arguable that Rose isn't a top 5 player.

There is no other PG, and very few players in the league who can completely DOMINATE and control a game like Rose. When you have LBJ trying to take over and dominate the game, then Rose actually accepting the challenge and fight back, that's DAMN impressive.

Someone clearly didn't see CP3 singlehandedly wreck the Lakers in the playoffs with a bunch of scrubs last year before bowing out in 6.

[Sarcastic]

CP3 is also turning Vinny Del Negro into a winning coach as well. When VDN was coaching Rose, they were a .500 team. It's Tom Thibodeau that has turned the team into contenders.

[Tenchi Ryu]

His team crushing everyone but Memphis while he was out hurts his case. Can't think of very many people other than Bulls homers and Rose-stans who wouldn't take LBJ, KD, D12, and maybe Kobe over Rose. He's hardly "guaranteed" top 5. A healthy and productive DWade "guarantees" that Rose isn't a top 5 player and relegates him to at best #6. CP3 is looking close to his old self and is putting up 18/9 on 50/44/86 with a 4.7 assist/t.o ratio with a team he is learning to play with on the fly. His team is thus far easily the most-improved. Even with Wade having a crap season thus far, it is easily arguable that Rose isn't a top 5 player.

Well you're calling 50% of NBA fans who voted on ESPN homers and stans, since that's EXACTLY what they did.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/fl...?pollId=132409

Someone's who's "6 at best" doesn't get these votes.

[Tenchi Ryu]

CP3 is also turning Vinny Del Negro into a winning coach as well. When VDN was coaching Rose, they were a .500 team. It's Tom Thibodeau that has turned the team into contenders.

Rose made VDN a Playoff coach, a ROOKIE Rose BTW. And this is a veteran CP3, who's trade was the talk of the offseason, he BETTER be successful.

[Sarcastic]

Rose made VDN a Playoff coach, a ROOKIE Rose BTW. And this is a veteran CP3, who's trade was the talk of the offseason, he BETTER be successful.

They had a 21 game boost last year, and they barely changed the roster at all. That's all coaching.