Durant on Kobe "He's probably the best ever. You can't say that he's lost a step"

[rfoster24]

Shaq has 2 more finals MVPs and as many rings, a far more dominant prime and unlike Kobe, Shaq was an elite player from the moment he entered the league. Kobe wasn't a legit all-star until his 4th season and not truly elite until his 5th season and his body is already wearing down at 31.

Please. Finals MVPs dont mean anything. If Shaq didn't get those 3 finals MVPs hes a loser. lets see. Pacers: Rik Smits? Nets: I don't even know some maccaluch guy
Sixers: Mutumbo, that's probably the best defense and he still wasnt nothin. Its a series guarantee if there was a playoffs MVP Kobe wouldve taken one or more. if shaq had to go up against somethin like a chris webber in the finals, then it might be a different story.

[Himan12]

First of all, nobody would "dominate" the 2008 Celtics. You don't dominate a team with 3 HOFers, hungry for a championship, period. Shaq didn't win a single thing before playing with Kobe and the Lakers. It's amusing that people still resort to "Kobe needed so and so to win" as an argument. Shaq needed Kobe to win, he needed Wade to win. Has he won a championship without one of best SGs in the league yet? Everyone needs talent to win. If you think the Lakers of the early 2000s were not talented, you're delusional. If Kobe wins 2 more rings as the best player, he will surpass Shaq's achievements. Just the fact that Kobe's been recognized as one of the best players in the league for a decade is impressive. Where has Shaq been since 2006?

Easy there, I never said the early 2000s lakers were not talented, I just meant Shaq needed less help than Kobe did. Also shaq was 34 turning 35, 4 years ago, he was on a decline. I dont understand how people forget that Kobe is 7 years younger. Also for Kobe dominating for the last decade, Shaq dominated in the late 90s to mid 2000s, how is Kobe more impressive?


The early 2000s lakers would destroy 2008 celtics, a young Kobe would lock down allen. A young fisher would be able to give rondo some trouble. Pierce would have to carry the celts and I just dont see that happening. Last but not least, Shaq would dominate the Celtics. Garnett, baby, powe and perkins would not even slow him down. Perkins and Baby would both be in foul trouble and Garnett's skinny ass wouldnt be able to handle shaq.

[ACCBaller1403]

Please. Finals MVPs dont mean anything. If Shaq didn't get those 3 finals MVPs hes a loser. lets see. Pacers: Rik Smits? Nets: I don't even know some maccaluch guy
Sixers: Mutumbo, that's probably the best defense and he still wasnt nothin. Its a series guarantee if there was a playoffs MVP Kobe wouldve taken one or more. if shaq had to go up against somethin like a chris webber in the finals, then it might be a different story.

This is hilarious. Finals MVPs mean nothing? It's not Shaq's fault that they were matched up against the Pacers, Nets, and Sixers. Plus if you think Shaq was seeing less defensive coverage than Kobe then you're insane or 12. He was consistently getting double and triple teamed which opened up the floor for everyone else. Yet he still got ridiculous stats. You can only play against who is in front of you. And how in the hell would Shaq go up against Chris Webber in the finals? They were in the same conference.

ShaqAttack will murder your post if he sees it.

[LA KB24]

First of all, nobody would "dominate" the 2008 Celtics. You don't dominate a team with 3 HOFers, hungry for a championship, period. Shaq didn't win a single thing before playing with Kobe and the Lakers. It's amusing that people still resort to "Kobe needed so and so to win" as an argument. Shaq needed Kobe to win, he needed Wade to win. Has he won a championship without one of best SGs in the league yet? Everyone needs talent to win. If you think the Lakers of the early 2000s were not talented, you're delusional. If Kobe wins 2 more rings as the best player, he will surpass Shaq's achievements. Just the fact that Kobe's been recognized as one of the best players in the league for a decade is impressive. Where has Shaq been since 2006?

qft

[ShaqAttack3234]

Please. Finals MVPs dont mean anything. If Shaq didn't get those 3 finals MVPs hes a loser. lets see. Pacers: Rik Smits? Nets: I don't even know some maccaluch guy
Sixers: Mutumbo, that's probably the best defense and he still wasnt nothin. Its a series guarantee if there was a playoffs MVP Kobe wouldve taken one or more. if shaq had to go up against somethin like a chris webber in the finals, then it might be a different story.

Please tell me you're not serious. Kobe would not have any playoff MVP's from the 3peat. Shaq's numbers from the entire run were consistently better each year and so was his impact, Kobe admitted Shaq was the number 1 guy several times and Phil Jackson has also stated this.

So the DPOY(4-time winner), the second leading shot blocker of all time and an 8 time all-star is nothing? You lost all credibility there. In 2000, he wasn't guarded by Smits, though he did have to guard Smits who was a good offensive player. Dale Davis, who was an all-star that season, a double double guy and a good defender guarded Shaq with A LOT of help. Shaq was constantly doubled and tripled because Rice was trash in the playoffs(and not that good all season), Kobe was injured 2 games and only really had 1 good game and other than that, the Lakers started 2 guys who weren't scorers, AC Green and Ron Harper, who were each 36 and combined for an efficient 12 ppg.

[Jacks3]

How did this become a Kobe vs. Shaq thread?

[woods]

Durant does not have the perspective to know just how great Jordan was on BOTH ends of the floor. Jordan shot 50% from the field almost EVERY year. Kobe chucks at 45%.

[Kingwillball]

this thread is Retarded..Durant is a Baby and has no context of the history of the Game.. Kobe is Not the BEst Ever..not even close. He is not even the Best Laker Ever and he is not even the Current best in the NBA.

[Jacks3]

Kobe is a 46% shooter and has a career TS% of 56%, but who needs facts?

[zizozain]

It was almost 1989 when Durant was born. He only really remembers the primes of 2 players who are above Kobe all time and he was 10-11 when one of them peaked. And plenty of people are putting Kobe above Duncan(not that they should).

He was 3 when Bird and Magic were gone. Jordan peaked when he was like 2. He grew up on Kobe like most of the people here. Its not a shocking opinion from someone his age.

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This dude. Mr objective Kblaze