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Old Today, 07:54 PM   #346
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https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...conley-jr.html

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Will Utah-bound Mike Conley Jr. be able to convince new teammate Dante Exum to give up No. 11 or will the longtime Grizzlies guard pick a new number for his new beginning?

that's enough reason to get rid of Exum right there
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That said, they do have to fill out the roster. Currently, theyíre looking at a starting five of Conley-Mitchell-Ingles-Favors-Gobert, and reserves Exum, Royce OíNeale, Georges Niang and Tony Bradley. They certainly need to add some depth, especially up front where Crowderís departure leaves them thin.

Cavanaugh might make the team now!

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Because Favorsí salary doesnít become fully guaranteed until July 7, they could monitor free agency and see if the market squeezes any good players down into a price range where they could waive Favorsí and use the resulting cap space to sign somebody. The best forward options ó guys like Bojan Bogdanovic or Julius Randle6 probably wonít be available at that price point. Someone like Nikola Mirotic, Thaddeus Young or Marcus Morris will probably be available at that kind of dollar figure, but most of those guys feel like overall downgrades from Favors, even though they do certain things better.

Young and Morris would be better fits

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They could also dangle Exum on the trade market to upgrade the rotation, but then that costs them guard depth. Or they could wait for Favorsí salary to guarantee and include him in trades ó something like Favors for Danilo Gallinari works straight across. That said, Iíve been insisting for some time now that I donít believe the Jazz are interested in Gallo. Aaron Gordon and Myles Turner likely arenít available in that type of deal, and Kelly Olynyk and Nikola Vucevic are really more centers than power forwards. The best available options on that type of deal might be someone like Marvin Williams, Gorgui Dieng or James Johnson. But again ó all of those players feel like downgrades from Favors.

Williams and Johnson are better fits though I'd hate to see Marvin again!

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That $4.8M slot isnít a lot, but the position of greatest need ó a backup stretch four option ó might need to the priority there. With over 100 NBA free agents this summer, eventually the cap space and larger exceptions will dry up, and there will be some decent players left to fight over these smaller slots. That said, it likely wonít be anybody of Crowderís impact level. Here are a few ideas:

Their biggest need is a starter. Need to use the 26 million to do that. Niang is fine as the backup

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They could see if the value of Dewayne Dedmon (more of a center) or Taj Gibson (not really stretchy) slips into the Room MLE price range. DeMarre Carroll is another guy whose price might slip depending on how free agency shakes out.

Dedmon if they have money for a backup center. Wouldn't be against bringing back Demarre. Loved him! Mistake to let him go in the first place

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They could take a total flier on someone like Noah Vonleh, Bruno Caboclo or Willy Hernangomez, all first-round or early second-round picks who just havenít panned out yet.

Vonleh could fit but they need a starter for Favors.

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Or they could approach Thabo about coming back for the minimum or a chunk of the Room MLE. The more I sift through the other unspectacular names, that could be a real option.

I'd be fine with Thabo starting. Snyder otoh...
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http://saltcityhoops.com/jazz-take-a...g-mike-conley/

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The direct cost for Conley included two picks, two rotation players and a recent draftee. You donít get value without giving up value, but itís impressive that the Jazz were able to complete this deal without giving up Exum or Favors.

you're assuming Memphis wanted either player!

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If thereís any aspect of this trade that could haunt the Jazz down the line, itís the protection structure on that second first-rounder, as reported by Memphis writer Chris Herrington. The pick will only convey in 2020 or 2021 if the Jazz fall in the back half of the draft lottery, which is extremely unlikely given their new core. Then the protections become extremely loose: top six in 2022, top three in 2023, and only protected for the No. 1 overall pick in 2024 before it converts to second-rounders. Those loose projections coincide with what COULD (but probably wonít) be Gobertís final season in Utah, so if things play out in the exact wrong way, that could be a bitter pill to swallow down the line.

Rudy could very well be gone. Jazz might not want to pay super max. Rudy may want to go where they are serious about winning big

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In terms of indirect cost, Utah will also have to give up their rights to free agents Rubio, Thabo Sefolosha and Ekpe Udoh. Depending on where the cap comes in, they may also have to waive the non-guaranteed salary attached to Raul Neto. They could potentially look to bring back any of those players if theyíre willing to take a minimum-salary or Room Mid-Level deal, although that certainly wouldnít be an option for Rubio.

Thabo and Neto would be stupid to come back if they have a choice. So would Udoh if Favors is still here. Rubio at 9 million would still be too much!

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And finally the opportunity cost: because of how the Jazz structured the deal, they wonít be able to pursue other top free agents or even use the full $9.2 million Mid-Level Exception. More on that in a second.

uh oh!

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Itís just as impressive that the Jazz were able to swing this June blockbuster without surrendering either of Favors or Exum, although even that came with a cost. Because of how they built the deal, they will not have the full $9.2 million MLE available.

unreal these guys!

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Ultimately, Iím sure it came down to bird-in-the-hand logic for the Jazz. And those are pretty good birds. Favors was arguably Utahís third best player over the course of last season. And Exumís exclusion is another sign that the Jazz still believe in his future as a meaningful piece on a contending team. While injuries keep interrupting his progress, players who have two elite skill sets ó in Exumís case, the speed to break down the defense with or without a pick and great on-ball defense ó usually have a pretty safe floor in the NBA.

Favors is a good bird that doesn't fit. Exum's exclusion tells me Lindsey still hopes he doesn't always suck so we will forget the horrible selection of him in the first place. Who cares if he can break down a d if he can't finish or hold on to the ball?

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Of course, either or both could be used for talent upgrades later on, but for now, Utah kept these two in Salt Lake City even as they landed a top-30 star. Thatís big.

Need to trade Favors to someone that needs him for someone they need. Not hopeful that they can trade Exum without giving up assets or taking back something they don't want. Might have to hope he will finally arrive

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In theory, they could acquire Harris (or Khris Middleton) via sign-and-trade, but only if Philadelphia (or Milwaukee) wanted Favors and Exum back in a trade, and then the Jazz would be hard-capped. And thereís no realistic path to space for a max signing after the Conley deal; even if they waive Favors and Neto and trade Exum into somebodyís cap room, that would only create about $26 million, which isnít enough for DíAngelo Russell, let alone Harris. That kind of money could get you someone like Harrison Barnes, but then you have to ask: would you rather have Barnes than Favors, Exum AND Neto? Itís a thought exercise at least, but itís not very likely to come to fruition.

Yes! 26 million can get them the modern 4 they need and maybe have money left to add others. Do it!
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Old Today, 08:26 PM   #349
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https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-free-age...grizzlies-2019

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What in Jerry Sloanís blessed name will opposing defenses do now that they canít use Ricky Rubioís defender to spy on Joe Ingles, Donovan Mitchell, and Rudy Gobert 24/7? Theyíll have to adjust. Defenses will have to stay glued to Mike Conley which will open up daylight for Rudy Gobert and Donovan Mitchell. Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert have never had the spacing theyíre going to experience next year. Teams are going to have to play Donovan Mitchell 1 on 1. If they donít itís a wide open three for Joe Ingles or Mike Conley. If they play Donovan one on one, then thereís the Rudy Gobert alley oop play or Derrick Favors rocking the back door cut. This team has found a premier playmaker and all of Utah is going to look so much better on offense for it.

If Favors is still starting the spacing won't be as good as it was with Johnson/Diaw
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Quin Snyderís offense generates more open looks than just about any other in the league. That bodes well for Conley; if we toss out a 12-game, injury-plagued 2017-18 season, Conley has connected on over 43 percent of his wide open triples over his last two full seasons.

I bet it generates less with Ricky gone
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