Shabazz Muhammad had a 20 PER at 22 years old: Wiggins didn't break 15

[PleezeBelieve]

Its clear Muhammad was the better player between the two last season.

But my question is -- how is such a stat like this even possible when Wiggins is the one projected by ISH to be a future superstar while no one talks or cares about Shabazz.

What's going on here?

[ClipperRevival]

More of the load was put on Wiggins and he simply lacked the experience to do so at the NBA level. He just had a higher usage rate when he wasn't ready to lead. But what we saw was glimpses of greatness: the 30+ point games and dominant defensive possibilities.

Shabazz is a good looking guy also though.

[PleezeBelieve]

More of the load was put on Wiggins and he simply lacked the experience to do so at the NBA level. He just had a higher usage rate when he wasn't ready to lead. But what we saw was glimpses of greatness: the 30+ point games and dominant defensive possibilities.

Shabazz is a good looking guy also though.

When you play 40 minutes a game, every player will have glimpses.

And most of his "glimpses" came in blowouts.

Try again...

[Sportal]

People forget that Shabazz was going to be a high pick if he had a successful college career. He was a #1 HS player coming into college, but drama just followed the kid. He could turn out better than all the Wolves' #1 picks...you just never know. I like him, since he's left college he's worked hard.

[ClipperRevival]

When you play 40 minutes a game, every player will have glimpses.

And most of his "glimpses" came in blowouts.

Try again...

I think I remember you now. You are the guy that made several threads about how overrated he is.

[ClipperRevival]

Before this year, Wiggins was a freshman at Kansas. And before that, he was playing HS ball. The guy is still a pup for basketball years. Basketball is a game of skill. Of course at the highest level, you need to be a certain height with a certain amount of athleticism but the rules still apply to Wiggins. Basketball takes time to improve upon your skills. If he works at it, he will get better. The real question is how much better. But you can't teach his height, length and athleticism.

[Legends66NBA7]

Shabazz Muhammad first season: 37 games played

Shabazz Muhammad second season: 38 games played


Andrew Wiggins first season: 82 games played

[kennethgriffin]

1. Michael Jordan* 28.60
2. George Mikan* 28.51
3. LeBron James 27.42
4. Shaquille O'Neal 26.13
5. Hakeem Olajuwon* 25.69
6. Chris Paul 25.13
7. Tim Duncan 24.58
8. Kevin Durant 24.35
9. Charles Barkley* 24.18
10. Dirk Nowitzki 23.97
11. Tracy McGrady 23.40
12. Dwight Howard 23.38
13. Dolph Schayes* 23.29
14. Jerry West* 23.06
15. David Robinson* 23.02
16. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 23.01
17. Magic Johnson* 22.95
18. Russell Westbrook 22.75
19. Wilt Chamberlain* 22.75
20. Dwyane Wade 22.70
21. Bob Pettit* 22.59
22. Kobe Bryant 22.40
23. Amar'e Stoudemire 22.08
24. Julius Erving* 22.05
25. Blake Griffin 21.96
26. Elgin Baylor* 21.83
27. Rick Barry* 21.81
28. Moses Malone* 21.57
29. Larry Bird* 21.41
30. Baron Davis 21.36
31. Allen Iverson 21.24
32. George Gervin* 21.16
33. Karl Malone* 21.12
34. Kevin Garnett 21.12
35. Oscar Robertson* 20.99
36. Bob Lanier* 20.81
37. Pau Gasol 20.72
38. George Yardley* 20.72
39. Cliff Hagan* 20.62
40. James Harden 20.61
41. Shawn Kemp 20.55
42. Gus Williams 20.37
43. Artis Gilmore* 20.36
44. Paul Arizin* 20.33
45. Dan Issel* 20.07
46. Carmelo Anthony 19.94
47. Alex English* 19.92
48. Walter Davis 19.91
49. John Stockton* 19.84
50. Walt Frazier* 19.84
51. Steve Nash 19.84
52. Isiah Thomas* 19.80
53. Manu Ginobili 19.79
54. Anfernee Hardaway 19.76
55. George McGinnis 19.73
56. Clyde Lovellette* 19.72
57. Clyde Drexler* 19.71
58. Patrick Ewing* 19.63
59. Reggie Miller* 19.55
60. Bill Russell* 19.40
61. Kevin McHale* 19.36
62. Adrian Dantley* 19.33
63. Billy Cunningham* 19.33
64. Alonzo Mourning* 19.18
65. Deron Williams 19.14
66. Chauncey Billups 19.11
67. Kevin Johnson 19.08
68. Elvin Hayes* 19.08
69. Larry Foust 19.08
70. Marques Johnson 19.06
71. Willie Wise 19.03
72. Marc Gasol 18.95
73. Roger Brown* 18.90
74. Chris Webber 18.87
75. Jimmy Jones 18.80
76. Derrick Rose 18.77
77. Brad Daugherty 18.73
78. Fred Brown 18.71
79. Dominique Wilkins* 18.71
80. Mack Calvin 18.67
81. Vince Carter 18.60
82. Bob McAdoo* 18.54
83. Zelmo Beaty 18.50
84. Mel Daniels* 18.48
85. Rajon Rondo 18.43
86. Chris Bosh 18.42
87. Rik Smits 18.40
88. Paul Millsap 18.38
89. Scottie Pippen* 18.35
90. James Worthy* 18.31
91. Kawhi Leonard 18.25
92. Red Robbins 18.19
93. Larry Nance 18.13
94. Terry Cummings 18.07
95. Andrew Bynum 18.02
96. Mark Aguirre 17.99
97. Dikembe Mutombo* 17.79
98. Willis Reed* 17.78
99. Tom Heinsohn* 17.65
100. Roy Hibbert 17.58
101. Zach Randolph 17.55
102. Paul Pierce 17.52
103. John Havlicek* 17.51
104. Sam Jones* 17.50
105. Josh Smith 17.39
106. Bob Cousy* 17.39
107. Carlos Boozer 17.36
108. Alvan Adams 17.33
109. Rod Strickland 17.23
110. Mark Price 17.17
111. Gail Goodrich* 17.17
112. Jason Kidd 17.10





i dunno about this PER thing

[Collie]

Shabazz had a 13 PER at 21 years old, 2 years older than Wiggins, who had a 14 PER.

[Legends66NBA7]

Shabazz had a 13 PER at 21 years old, 2 years older than Wiggins, who had a 14 PER.

And Wiggins played 45 more games on higher minutes.

[CarlosBoozer]

Dion sucks

[Marchesk]

1. Michael Jordan* 28.60
19. Wilt Chamberlain* 22.75[/SIZE]
i dunno about this PER thing

Yeah, maybe because Wilt had a 28 PER as a rookie while setting NBA records in scoring and rebounding. Not sure where you're getting the 22.75 from.

[noob cake]

Dion sucks

Dions sucks, but Wiggins sucks just as badly.

[FireMcFailPlease]

Trade Wiggins!

[JohnMax]