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Very good NBA starter
Re: Best combination of Scoring and Passing in NBA history?
Big O and Pete Maravich should get more mentions...
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Best combination of Scoring and Passing in NBA history?
Originally Posted by dhsilv
I recall every time I got to see him, just thinking "wow...he's mastered the art of making people better".
Good thing you're talking about CP3 here and not Lebron.
Because in Lebron's case, it's a statistical fact that the APG of Wade, Kyrie, Mo Williams, Bosh and Love were all significantly lower alongside Lebron, while their assisted rate was higher - this proves he turned them from playmakers into play-finishers.
Turning teammates into play-finishers doesn't make them better as individuals, and it makes the team worse, since 1-playmaker teams < multiple playmaker teams.
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LeMassiveunderdog
Re: Best combination of Scoring and Passing in NBA history?
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Best combination of Scoring and Passing in NBA history?
Originally Posted by JebronLames
LeBron "LeGoat" James
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Per 100 Possessions in Playoffs:
[COLOR="Red"]JORDAN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Blue"]LEBRON:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts[/COLOR]
The stats don't lie - MJ was the better scorer/passer - no one matches his combination of points + assists except prime Oscar.
Also, notice how MJ had better efficiency despite much higher shot volume.. Maintaining equal efficiency at much higher volume means MJ did exactly what Lebron did, [COLOR="Navy"]but just more OF it[/COLOR] - so imagine Lebron..... doing MORE.... that's MJ.
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Last edited by 3ball; 10-30-2015 at 09:24 AM.
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Banned (lol)
Re: Best combination of Scoring and Passing in NBA history?
Bran Cereals takes this one.
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Re: Best combination of Scoring and Passing in NBA history?
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College superstar
Re: Best combination of Scoring and Passing in NBA history?
Originally Posted by Round Mound
Big O and Pete Maravich should get more mentions...
Came here to say Big O and Lebron lol...
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Great college starter
Re: Best combination of Scoring and Passing in NBA history?
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The Wizard
Re: Best combination of Scoring and Passing in NBA history?
Originally Posted by dubeta
Guys, Bird averaged 24.3 and 6 throughout his career
Stop it.. You're making me laugh
hurr durr career averages
Let's see LeBron's averages after the next few seasons of bad back, old man basketball. Maybe he'll see the value of backing off a bit.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Best combination of Scoring and Passing in NBA history?
Originally Posted by ralph_i_el
Let's see LeBron's averages after the next few seasons of bad back, old man basketball.
Exactly - and even WITH the age advantage, Lebron's stats are much worse than MJ's, as shown by the per 100 stats in playoffs:
JORDAN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts
LEBRON:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
The stats don't lie - MJ was the better scorer/passer - no one matches his combination of points + assists except prime Oscar.
Also, notice how MJ had better efficiency despite much higher shot volume.. Maintaining equal efficiency at much higher volume means MJ did exactly what Lebron did, [COLOR="Navy"]but just more OF it[/COLOR] - so imagine Lebron..... doing MORE.... that's MJ.
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The Wizard
Re: Best combination of Scoring and Passing in NBA history?
Originally Posted by 3ball
Exactly - and even WITH the age advantage, Lebron's stats are much worse than MJ's, as shown by the per 100 stats in playoffs:
JORDAN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts
LEBRON:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
The stats don't lie - MJ was the better scorer/passer - no one matches his combination of points + assists except prime Oscar.
Also, notice how MJ had better efficiency despite much higher shot volume.. Maintaining equal efficiency at much higher volume means MJ did exactly what Lebron did, [COLOR="Navy"]but just more OF it[/COLOR] - so imagine Lebron..... doing MORE.... that's MJ.
MJ got to take an entire year off for rest
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The Wizard
Re: Best combination of Scoring and Passing in NBA history?
Originally Posted by kennethgriffin
how are those 2 things even comparable though
the only way to get an assist is off a field goal. which is 2-3 points minimum
an assist is only as valuable as the guy youre passing to..
in no way is an assist worth as much as the man directly responsible for the 2 points unless hes directly under the rim
even a guy wide open on a kick out has to still make the shot.
i've seen lebron brick a ton of open shots.
and theres no pressure to make a pass. if the other guy misses the shot. you don't get credited with a missed assist
like mark jackson said during the lakers wolves game. "i can go out there right now and get an assist"
at any age a slow fat loser can do that.
but tell mark jackson to go out and get a basket.. see what he says then
in the end your boi bran hurts teams by padding his assists. taking his teammates out of their comfort zones in order to make himself look better. he sacrificed love and bosh's games to make them spot up three point shooters.
Found a new KennyG selfie
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NBA Legend
Re: Best combination of Scoring and Passing in NBA history?
Originally Posted by 4 Inches
You know Wilt was statpadding that season grandpa
Yep...that selfish "stats-padding" led his team to a runaway best record in the league.
No teammate wants to play with a selfish stats-padder.
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Re: Best combination of Scoring and Passing in NBA history?
I would have to go with Oscar Robertson in this case. He was both a dominant scorer and passer leading the league in scoring and assists during his career. Also his career fg% of 48.5% during his era blew most guards out of the water. Finally, his teams led the league in fg% in 9 of the 14 seasons of his career. A pg's job is to run the offense and to get quality shots for his teammates. It's obvious that he did that as well as anyone ever has.
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