In 40 seconds, LeBron James shows why he is the Most Versatile basketball player..

[SouBeachTalents]

kobe = 5/7 in the finals "much harder to win with kobe"

bran = 2/6 "better scorer than kobe"

Kobe stans will really bring up 5/7 and act like Shaq wasn't the significantly better player for 3 of those Finals wins

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe stans will really bring up 5/7 and act like Shaq wasn't the significantly better player for 3 of those Finals wins

Kareem has 2 FMVP's. I guess we should discount all his rings too. His first ring came while playing with a guy who was a top 5 GOAT at that point. The rest of his rings came while playing with arguably the GOAT up until that point and top 5 GOAT overall. Guess Kareem's rings do not count or are tainted!!

Great logic.

[Bankaii]

Kareem has 2 FMVP's. I guess we should discount all his rings too. His first ring came while playing with a guy who was a top 5 GOAT at that point. The rest of his rings came while playing with arguably the GOAT up until that point and top 5 GOAT overall. Guess Kareem's rings do not count!!

Great logic.

2000-2002 Lakers Finals-
Shaq: 36/15/4/.6/3 on 59%
Kobe: 22/6/5/1/1 on 43%

Showtime Lakers Finals-
Kareem: 22/8/3/.8/2.6 on 52% (this is including his bad series at 40 years old)
Magic: 21/9/11/2/.2 on 54%

If you can't the difference in the two you're an idiot.

Kareem and Magic were co leading, Shaq and Kobe was hero and sidekick.
Shaq got all FMVPs and they aren't debatable. Almost all of the Showtime's FMVPs are debatable because the gap between the two is so small and Kareem should have 3 (over magic in 1980) and Magic should have 3 (over Worthy in 1988).

[riseagainst]

Very solid player.

[TheMarkMadsen]

2000-2002 Lakers Finals-
Shaq: 36/15/4/.6/3 on 59%
Kobe: 22/6/5/1/1 on 43%

Showtime Lakers Finals-
Kareem: 22/8/3/.8/2.6 on 52% (this is including his bad series at 40 years old)
Magic: 21/9/11/2/.2 on 54%

If you can't the difference in the two you're an idiot.

Kareem and Magic were co leading, Shaq and Kobe was hero and sidekick.
Shaq got all FMVPs and they aren't debatable. Almost all of the Showtime's FMVPs are debatable because the gap between the two is so small and Kareem should have 3 (over magic in 1980) and Magic should have 3 (over Worthy in 1988).

So Kobe averaged the same amount of points and more assist than Kareem while Kareem's teammate averages a 20 point triple double.. and somehow Kareem's count and Kobe's don't

Kobe led the team in scoring and assist through the first 3 rounds of the playoffs in both 01 and 02. Kobe led the entire league in 4th quarter playoffs scoring for 01 and 02 playoffs

That isn't "hero and sidekick" you moron

[SouBeachTalents]

Kareem has 2 FMVP's. I guess we should discount all his rings too. His first ring came while playing with a guy who was a top 5 GOAT at that point. The rest of his rings came while playing with arguably the GOAT up until that point and top 5 GOAT overall. Guess Kareem's rings do not count or are tainted!!

Great logic.

It's not about rings being "tainted", imo Kobe's first 3 rings (especially '00) don't hold the same weight or value that a true first option ring does. And since the arguments are constantly 5/7, referencing specifically the Finals, then yes, it absolutely has to be mentioned that Shaq was on a clear level above Kobe in every Finals they played, even the one they lost. The difference between Shaq & Kobe in the Finals was basically on the same level of Kobe/Gasol & Jordan/Pippen

[TheMarkMadsen]

It's not about rings being "tainted", imo Kobe's first 3 rings (especially '00) don't hold the same weight or value that a true first option ring does. And since the arguments are constantly 5/7, referencing specifically the Finals, then yes, it absolutely has to be mentioned that Shaq was on a clear level above Kobe in every Finals they played, even the one they lost. The difference between Shaq & Kobe in the Finals was basically on the same level of Kobe/Gasol & Jordan/Pippen

Yeah Kobe averaging 30ppg in the playoffs while leading his team in assist truly doesn't hold the weight of "true first options" averaging 25ppg for their championship runs

GTFO

[Lebron23]

2000-2002 Lakers Finals-
Shaq: 36/15/4/.6/3 on 59%
Kobe: 22/6/5/1/1 on 43%

Showtime Lakers Finals-
Kareem: 22/8/3/.8/2.6 on 52% (this is including his bad series at 40 years old)
Magic: 21/9/11/2/.2 on 54%

If you can't the difference in the two you're an idiot.

Kareem and Magic were co leading, Shaq and Kobe was hero and sidekick.
Shaq got all FMVPs and they aren't debatable. Almost all of the Showtime's FMVPs are debatable because the gap between the two is so small and Kareem should have 3 (over magic in 1980) and Magic should have 3 (over Worthy in 1988).

Sidecook gonna sidecook

[Dray n Klay]

Little Mark with the signature melt?

[Bankaii]

So Kobe averaged the same amount of points and more assist than Kareem while Kareem's teammate averages a 20 point triple double.. and somehow Kareem's count and Kobe's don't

Kobe led the team in scoring and assist through the first 3 rounds of the playoffs in both 01 and 02. Kobe led the entire league in 4th quarter playoffs scoring for 01 and 02 playoffs

That isn't "hero and sidekick" you moron

You just might be mentally retarded.

First off, RINGS ARE NOT WON IN THE 1st 3 ROUNDS OF THE PLAYOFFS, dumbass.

Why are you comparing Kobe and Kareem? That's not the point of the post.
The objective of the post was to show the major gap between Shaq and Kobe, which explains why Kobe was a sidekick.
And how Magic and Kareem were relatively 1a and 1b which is why Kareem's rings hold more weight.

Kobetards can go around saying "5/7" when Kobe was an obvious sidekick for 3 of his rings.
Look at the stats you idiot, it isn't even debatable.

[Lebron23]

You just might be mentally retarded.

First off, RINGS ARE NOT WON IN THE 1st 3 ROUNDS OF THE PLAYOFFS, dumbass.

Why are you comparing Kobe and Kareem? That's not the point of the post.
The objective of the post was to show the major gap between Shaq and Kobe, which explains why Kobe was a sidekick.
And how Magic and Kareem were relatively 1a and 1b which is why Kareem's rings hold more weight.

Kobetards can go around saying "5/7" when Kobe was an obvious sidekick for 3 of his rings.
Look at the stats you idiot, it isn't even debatable.

Bankaii just destroyed themarkmadsen. Bankaii's power level is over 9,000.

[Lebron23]

Little Mark with the signature melt?

Is that pot smoker still kissing Stephen Curry's Butt? He really hate LeBron. I don't know if LeBron banged his gf in high school.

[warriorfan]

So Kobe averaged the same amount of points and more assist than Kareem while Kareem's teammate averages a 20 point triple double.. and somehow Kareem's count and Kobe's don't

Kobe led the team in scoring and assist through the first 3 rounds of the playoffs in both 01 and 02. Kobe led the entire league in 4th quarter playoffs scoring for 01 and 02 playoffs

That isn't "hero and sidekick" you moron

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[ShawkFactory]

Defense is the easiest part of this game thats why if youre elite offensively, then theres no reason you cant at the easiest part. Its all about motivation. Jordan could become pippen but not otherwise. The same is true for bran and kobe. Kobe can be bran but not otherwise thats why kobe is the better player. Kobe has achieved the highest level which is elite scoring.

Who would take the opinion seriously of someone who can barely formulate thoughts?

[CP3PO]

So Kobe averaged the same amount of points and more assist than Kareem while Kareem's teammate averages a 20 point triple double.. and somehow Kareem's count and Kobe's don't

Kobe led the team in scoring and assist through the first 3 rounds of the playoffs in both 01 and 02. Kobe led the entire league in 4th quarter playoffs scoring for 01 and 02 playoffs

That isn't "hero and sidekick" you moron

Meltdown much?