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Titles are overrated
Kid asks James Harden why he travels. Harden answers. Now I ask you a question.
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Wilt Davis
Re: Kid asks James Harden why he travels. Harden answers. Now I ask you a question.
I really wish they would enforce the fundament rules of the game like traveling. Make these professional high skilled players have to earn their points within the intent for how the game was supposed to be play, not some alternate street version.
The offensive player gathers with his right foot on the ground. He then takes two legal steps, before losing control of the ball. After regaining possession, a player is allowed to regain his pivot foot and pass or shoot prior to that foot returning to the ground. This is legal.
That's just terrible. In what universe was that ever legal? How does losing control of the ball when let you take extra steps? Why wouldn't it be some related violation? It's not like it went into some other players hands or was bouncing around on the floor.
From a certain point of view, anything is "legal" if the ref doesn't call it. But it's also a missed call, or the league not enforcing their rules consistently.
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Titles are overrated
Re: Kid asks James Harden why he travels. Harden answers. Now I ask you a question.
Even worse...he DIDNT lose the ball. He decided not to go up with it and just pulled it in to keep going. They just cant admit they ignored an obvious violation. The late call looks bad....but not as bad as that. Blake saw it was a travel before he even came back to the ground.
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Re: Kid asks James Harden why he travels. Harden answers. Now I ask you a question.
In a way, this kind of cheating is a skill in sports. Not everyone can come up with a move that is outright cheating, but the judges can't penalize you for it. It's a sport, you can't change it, you have to make the fans angry sometimes. Especially since how many other sportsmen run halfway across the field as well? 0! I don't see this strategy being picked up by the other teams. So this technique isn't very capable. I think James Harden will get bad because of his tricks, and he's going to travel across the USA https://www.westgateresorts.com/blog...rips-from-nyc/. But as long as the audience doesn't get bored with it, he'll be allowed to "travel."
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Re: Kid asks James Harden why he travels. Harden answers. Now I ask you a question.
My biggest thing is the degree at which the advantage is gained. Someone not getting called for taking 4 steps on a clear open break is not an issue in my eyes. To me that's driving 100 on a barren Nebraska highway at 4 in the afternoon.
3 euro steps? 4 steps under the basket? Yea that's a problem. That's going 50 in a school zone and needs to be tightened up.
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NBA Superstar
Re: Kid asks James Harden why he travels. Harden answers. Now I ask you a question.
If we’re being honest with ourselves the refs call things differently on a game to game and sometimes even quarter to quarter basis depending on how they feel.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Kid asks James Harden why he travels. Harden answers. Now I ask you a question.
The Corey Brewer one gets me every time.
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NBA lottery pick
Re: Kid asks James Harden why he travels. Harden answers. Now I ask you a question.
Good post OP and I agree. Where basketball ends and anarchy begins is hard to tell and different people will give you different answers!
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Un Hermano de Bernie
Re: Kid asks James Harden why he travels. Harden answers. Now I ask you a question.
Been this way for as long as I've watched, just different characters at the forefront.
Hakeem used to travel while announcers would marvel at his footwork. They'd ooh and awe and talk of his soccer background and call it the dream shake. If you actually watched his footwork he often took extra steps, yet we don't hear anything about it because those steps helped him earn credibility by the way of 2 chips.
Shaq was a similar story. He traveled a lot too, but refs were so worried about contact on the play they ignored his footwork. However, while on the topic of Shaq, it would be silly to focus on traveling while not mentioning the offensive fouls that he'd get away with after he suited up with the Lakers and gained a ton of weight. Shit got ridiculous. Guy was playing football out there and then crying when he'd get it back. We saw dude damn near break Dikembe's ribs while lowering his shoulder into him during the finals and if I recall correctly the foul was given to Deke.
Extra leeway will always be afforded to your big earners.
Same story, different era.
Edit: When those violations are not called the game becomes an entirely different sport and difficult to take seriously. The violations are cheating, because they give you an advantage, but if the "right" person or team does them then again, extra leeway is given.
When a big market or a really egregious error happens during a heavily publicized game the NBA will trot out an official and come up with some obscure rule or bs excuse for why the infraction wasn't called.
Small markets don't get that luxury so we've seent some shit, but don't have to suffer the stupid excuses usually.
Fishers .4 broke me as far as taking the NBA seriously. The rule prior to that shot had always been a player needs 6 tenths of a second to catch and release a jump shot. But, when the Lakers needed it he was allowed to catch, shoot, turn around, fade......
The NBA is glorified carnie stuff. Rasslin.
Last edited by Loco 50; 09-29-2021 at 06:14 PM.
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Re: Kid asks James Harden why he travels. Harden answers. Now I ask you a question.
Originally Posted by Alipiama
In a way, this kind of cheating is a skill in sports. Not everyone can come up with a move that is outright cheating, but the judges can't penalize you for it. It's a sport, you can't change it, you have to make the fans angry sometimes. Especially since how many other sportsmen run halfway across the field as well? 0! I don't see this strategy being picked up by the other teams. So this technique isn't very capable. I think James Harden will get bad because of his tricks, and he's going to travel across the USA https://www.westgateresorts.com/blog...rips-from-nyc/. But as long as the audience doesn't get bored with it, he'll be allowed to "travel."
Lmao these things are evolving
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The Special One
Re: Kid asks James Harden why he travels. Harden answers. Now I ask you a question.
Let's talk about Curry's carrying the ball to better his handling against his defender.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Kid asks James Harden why he travels. Harden answers. Now I ask you a question.
the ref's blink and think it is a continuation
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Re: Kid asks James Harden why he travels. Harden answers. Now I ask you a question.
Well the game evolve. Back then there was no shot clock, people just standing around for minutes. Was that basketball?
There was no 3 point shot, was that basketball?
What determines is it basketball or not is not the rules or who called them. Rules can change. Heck, maybe far in the future there will be no dribble and a 10 point shot line.
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Titles are overrated
Re: Kid asks James Harden why he travels. Harden answers. Now I ask you a question.
Originally Posted by iamgine
Well the game evolve. Back then there was no shot clock, people just standing around for minutes. Was that basketball?
There was no 3 point shot, was that basketball?
What determines is it basketball or not is not the rules or who called them. Rules can change. Heck, maybe far in the future there will be no dribble and a 10 point shot line.
Difference is….when there was no shot clock the D couldn’t simply get the ball anyway after 24 seconds. Before the 3 point line you couldn’t take a 25 footer and get 3 points. You’re talking about a league followings it’s rules. I’m talking about not following them. If after the introduction of the shot clock teams routinely had the ball for 34 seconds we would be talking about the same thing.
Im not arguing against evolution…I’m saying…if the rules changed….change them.
To their credit they tried with the “zero step” which essentially legalized 3 step finishes. I don’t like it….but they tell them to allow the gather step. Ok. Not what I was taught basketball required but if you make it the rules in your league…ok I guess. Some leagues have 4 pointers. If those are your rules so be it.
But just say they can carry if you won’t stop them from doing it.
I don’t know why we acknowledge the rule 4 times a season.
If you don’t have to follow the rules…what are you even playing?
I can defend Steph if I can just put him in a bear hug. But you would be right to say I’m not playing basketball.
Why then is it basketball for the offense to not follow it’s rules?
Again….I’m not saying the players aren’t playing basketball…I’m saying….if you call it the way we call it…just make the rules match what you accept and stop bullshitting us. You can make your leagues rules whatever. It’s all basketball….so long as you follow the rules.
If you don’t follow your own rules….what are you playing?
Is it like playing Monopoly by house rules maybe?
A “Well…in my house you get 500 for passing go” kinda thing?
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Re: Kid asks James Harden why he travels. Harden answers. Now I ask you a question.
In any sport, there are some rules that's not followed to the letter and is up to the referees discretion. For example, in soccer often times players tug on their opponent's shirt and it's very often not called. But can they then just make a rule that states, ok everyone is free to tug on your opponent's shirt?
Even in the NBA since olden days, the standard for fouls is different for big men like Shaq and for small guys. I don't see them making a rule that big men, yeah you can go ahead and can hack them.
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