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Paul Pierce: Most undeserving Finals MVP ever?
Pierce was their leading scorer by a point over Ray Allen, and Allen shot the ball significantly better from both the field and the 3 point line (and obviously, the FT line). Allen also outrebounded him, and spent more time defending Kobe yet for some reason there's this myth that Pierce matched up with Kobe. Garnett also played elite defense on the Laker bigs, although he shot the worst out of the three his impact was probably greater than Pierce's.
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Re: Paul Pierce: Most undeserving Finals MVP ever?
Originally Posted by CJ Mustard
Pierce was their leading scorer by a point over Ray Allen, and Allen shot the ball significantly better from both the field and the 3 point line (and obviously, the FT line). Allen also outrebounded him, and spent more time defending Kobe yet for some reason there's this myth that Pierce matched up with Kobe. Garnett also played elite defense on the Laker bigs, although he shot the worst out of the three his impact was probably greater than Pierce's.
Pierce created a lot for Ray and others, while scoring his own points on riasonable efficiency.
Im not saying it isnt debatable but I have no issue with it. Often times there is no one single MVP, but for some dumb reason they always have to pick one anyway. Which I think is stupid. But that being the case, sometimes sentmentality and historic significance play into it.
Theres no way that Pierce wasnt gonna be given MVP if Boston won and he had a decent series.
That all bein said, Ive long said Ray was criminally underrated in boston by the general public
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Re: Paul Pierce: Most undeserving Finals MVP ever?
Originally Posted by OldSkoolball#52
Theres no way that Pierce wasnt gonna be given MVP if Boston won and he had a decent series.
That all bein said, Ive long said Ray was criminally underrated in boston by the general public
this. paul pierce WAS boston all those years and stuck it through the good and bad, so it was about more than just that series. also pierce was better overall throughout the playoffs. ray struggled until late in the detroit series if im not mistaken.
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Re: Paul Pierce: Most undeserving Finals MVP ever?
Originally Posted by OldSkoolball#52
Pierce created a lot for Ray and others, while scoring his own points on riasonable efficiency.
Im not saying it isnt debatable but I have no issue with it. Often times there is no one single MVP, but for some dumb reason they always have to pick one anyway. Which I think is stupid. But that being the case, sometimes sentmentality and historic significance play into it.
Theres no way that Pierce wasnt gonna be given MVP if Boston won and he had a decent series.
That all bein said, Ive long said Ray was criminally underrated in boston by the general public
Which is a crime IMO. If Pierce and Allen swapped statlines, Pierce would still get the award. It basically didn't matter who the actual best player was.
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Re: Paul Pierce: Most undeserving Finals MVP ever?
Originally Posted by icewill36
this. paul pierce WAS boston all those years and stuck it through the good and bad, so it was about more than just that series. also pierce was better overall throughout the playoffs. ray struggled until late in the detroit series if im not mistaken.
It's a Finals MVP, not a Playoff MVP. If it was, Garnett would get it easily. It just makes the award look like a joke if a player can win it on sentimental value.
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Re: Paul Pierce: Most undeserving Finals MVP ever?
Originally Posted by CJ Mustard
Which is a crime IMO. If Pierce and Allen swapped statlines, Pierce would still get the award. It basically didn't matter who the actual best player was.
Happens all the time. If Miami wins again and Wade outplays him, you better bet your ass LeBron is getting that FMVP. If the Lakers miraculously win another championship somehow before Kobe retires, he will get it. FMVP is a joke accolade to measure players.
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Re: Paul Pierce: Most undeserving Finals MVP ever?
Originally Posted by CJ Mustard
Pierce was their leading scorer by a point over Ray Allen, and Allen shot the ball significantly better from both the field and the 3 point line (and obviously, the FT line). Allen also outrebounded him, and spent more time defending Kobe yet for some reason there's this myth that Pierce matched up with Kobe. Garnett also played elite defense on the Laker bigs, although he shot the worst out of the three his impact was probably greater than Pierce's.
Paul Pierce impacted the finals more
-clutch shots in game 1
-clutch block in game 2 and the was the best player that game
-played great defense on Kobe in game 4 in the 2nd half and outperformed him that game
-again outperform Kobe in game 5 but lost because KG and Allen didn't know want to play. It was really Paul Pierce vs the Lakers that game.
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Re: Paul Pierce: Most undeserving Finals MVP ever?
Originally Posted by JimmyMcAdocious
Happens all the time. If Miami wins again and Wade outplays him, you better bet your ass LeBron is getting that FMVP. If the Lakers miraculously win another championship somehow before Kobe retires, he will get it. FMVP is a joke accolade to measure players.
See Kobe.
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Re: Paul Pierce: Most undeserving Finals MVP ever?
Originally Posted by Bigsmoke
Paul Pierce impacted the finals more
-clutch shots in game 1
-clutch block in game 2 and the was the best player that game
-played great defense on Kobe in game 4 in the 2nd half and outperformed him that game
-again outperform Kobe in game 5 but lost because KG and Allen didn't know want to play. It was really Paul Pierce vs the Lakers that game.
Ray impacted the Finals more
-Held Kobe to 9-26 shooting in Game 1 being the primary defender on him. Didn't get carried off in a wheelchair.
-While Paul Pierce threw up a stinker of a Game 3 (6 points on 2-14 shooting). Ray was the only one keeping them in the game (25/5/2 on 8/13, 5/7 from three)
- Ray was the primary defender of Kobe in the first half of game 4 and held him scoreless. Pierce guarded Kobe in the second half and he scored 17 points in the second half. So much for playing great defense on Kobe when you don't even acknowledge that they were sharing duties and Ray did the better job this game while also shooting better than Pierce and grabbing 5 more boards although Pierce had more assists.
-Pierce did carry the team in Game 5, but don't forget Pierce got stripped by Kobe in a clutch situation. Pierce kept them in that game, but also lost it at the end. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHYE8lf0QEw)
-And in the clinching Game 6, it was obvious it was Ray's night. He tied the record for most three point makes in a single NBA Finals game with 7. 26 points, 4 boards, 2 assists. Top that off with 3 steals and only 1 turnover.
-Did I mention he set the (at the time) NBA Finals Record for most three pointers made in a series with 21 (3 higher than the previous record).
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Boom Baby!
Re: Paul Pierce: Most undeserving Finals MVP ever?
Why are guys arguing on who was better between Pierce and Ray when it was pretty obvious that Garnett was their most impactful player?
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Believeland
Re: Paul Pierce: Most undeserving Finals MVP ever?
Originally Posted by Reggie43
Why are guys arguing on who was better between Pierce and Ray when it was pretty obvious that Garnett was their most impactful player?
Throughout the playoffs I agree, but in the Finals he shot the ball terribly and was a non factor late in games. His rebounding and defense on Gasol was huge, no doubt. But Ray/Pierce's defense on Kobe as well as their own offensive production was ultimately what was going to seal the deal and Ray did better than Pierce on both ends of the floor in my opinion.
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Big Booty Hoes!!
Re: Paul Pierce: Most undeserving Finals MVP ever?
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Re: Paul Pierce: Most undeserving Finals MVP ever?
Ray Allen was robbed. He was by far the most consistent player during that final series. Even when Celtics were blown out, he keeps on knocking down shot after shot to stage a come back.
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Re: Paul Pierce: Most undeserving Finals MVP ever?
Ray Allen was robbed just like he was in 2013
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Boom Baby!
Re: Paul Pierce: Most undeserving Finals MVP ever?
Originally Posted by MP.Trey
Throughout the playoffs I agree, but in the Finals he shot the ball terribly and was a non factor late in games. His rebounding and defense on Gasol was huge, no doubt. But Ray/Pierce's defense on Kobe as well as their own offensive production was ultimately what was going to seal the deal and Ray did better than Pierce on both ends of the floor in my opinion.
I remember he averaged a similar number of points as compared to the other two while providing elite defense not only on gasol but the whole lakers team. He was their defensive anchor, the one player that erased all the defensive mistakes that pierce and allen had helping them do a decent job on kobe bryant
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