Cavaliers are at their best when Lebron is outscored by his teammates

[secund2nun]

That is the most incorrect post in this entire thread.

First of all, Kyrie will probably never reach 2010-2011 Wade level, (26\6\5\2\1 on 50% shooting, great D, top 3 player in the NBA and dominant playoffs aside from 1 series) so you saying "yet" is ridiculous. He's not even on 2011-2012 Wade level, and probably on par or slightly below 2012-2013 regular season Wade.

Second of all, you must of not watched a lot of Heat games if you try to say Wade and LeBrons game together wasn't seamless. By the second season they figured it out, and they played the prettiest 1+2 combo in the entire league. Backdoor passes, fast breaks, amazing ally oops. Drive and kicks. Not saying they won't, but the chemistry between Kyrie and LeBron isn't on the level of what Wade and LeBron had. It was a beauty to watch.

You are right Irving will never reach the level of 10-11 Wade, but one area the Irving Lebron duo will blow away Wade and Lebron is halfcourt scoring . Wade killed spacing. Lebron scored better when Wade was on the bench replaced with a shooter.

[BigMacAttack]

You are right Irving will never reach the level of 10-11 Wade, but one area the Irving Lebron duo will blow away Wade and Lebron is halfcourt scoring . Wade killed spacing. Lebron scored better when Wade was on the bench replaced with a shooter.

Lebron ball.

LBJ needs 4 shooters standing on the perimeter to be his best.

[FatComputerNerd]

I find this to be a pretty weak argument. How many guys at 21 and carrying the kind of burden Kyrie has over the previous three years could do much better than fighting for a low playoff seed, which the Cavs did last year?

We're seriously going to start branding guys as losers at 21 years old and playing for franchises that are openly not trying to win? The Cavs literally did not want to get out of the lottery in his first two years in Cleveland. Last season was the first year that they really tried to make a run and Mike Brown spent the first 30 games trying to run an offense through Andrew Bynum, who is no longer in the league.

Sans Bynum, the Cavs were just a little under .500 last year and that includes games that Kyrie didn't play due to injury.


I agree that LeBron is at his best when the scoring load is being shared throughout the roster. That has always been the case for him, even when he was at his most high-flying and athletic. I would say the most impressive single-game performance -- from strictly a team perspective -- in LeBron's first stint in Cleveland was Game 6 in 2007 against the Pistons when Boobie Gibson went nuts on all those threes.

That was LeBron at his most lethal. Yeah, he carried the scoring the game before, but the Pistons stood no chance when other guys started knocking down shots.

That's what you hope great players do... work well together. People are focusing way too much on what Kyrie did prior to LeBron James showing up. That's burying the lead, imo.

What should be talked about more is just how well he plays off of LeBron. Just looking at it from how guys mesh together, Kyrie seems like the best offensive "fit" James has played with. While he may not be as consistently great as Wade was in 2010-11 (yet), they play a more seamless game together than LeBron and Wade ever did.

Great post. One of my main concerns with Lebron coming back was how he and Kyrie would mesh.

They seem to be getting along great so far. I haven't seen any ego issues whatsoever. They feed off each-other, seem to truly like each-other, and enjoy playing together.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Cavs are at their best wheb their best player gets help? Wow you're a genius.

[CavaliersFTW]

Kyrie #1 scorer, LeBron 2nd option - LeBron finally bought into my system so Cavs can win a chip

Blatt had to go because he wanted LeBron to have more touches than the teams best scorer

You all heard it all from me first. Cry as the LeStans might, this is Kyries team when it comes to scoring points. They're unbeatable when LeBron plays 2nd or 3rd option.

[Dray n Klay]

LOL, at least this isnt the Wilt scenario where he was the 4th-5th best scorer on a team and you and Laz were pleading "but.. but. itz the system"

[nba_55]

Kyrie #1 scorer, LeBron 2nd option - LeBron finally bought into my system so Cavs can win a chip

Blatt had to go because he wanted LeBron to have more touches than the teams best scorer

You all heard it all from me first. Cry as the LeStans might, this is Kyries team when it comes to scoring points. They're unbeatable when LeBron plays 2nd or 3rd option.

Lebron is still the first option.

[CavaliersFTW]

Lebron is still the first option.

You're inbounding the ball 1 second left on the clock, down by 2, Kyrie and LeBron are both open from 3. Who do you pass it to?

[Dray n Klay]

You're inbounding the ball 1 second left on the clock, down by 2, Wilt and Mario Chalmers are both open from 3. Who do you pass it to?

Answer this question Cavs, so would Chalmers be a 1st option over Mr. 18 ppg if they teamed up?

[nba_55]

You're inbounding the ball 1 second left on the clock, down by 2, Kyrie and LeBron are both open from 3. Who do you pass it to?

I would also pass it to Frye from 3 over Lebron, that doesn't make Frye first option. Lebron still has the best combinaison of scoring and playmaking on the team, that makes him the first option. Yeah Kyrie scored more than Lebron tonight, but Lebron was still the first option. The offense was running trought him most of the night. He scored or assisted 20 of the first 22 points.

[CavaliersFTW]

Answer this question Cavs, so would Chalmers be a 1st option over Mr. 18 ppg if they teamed up?

Chalmers? We're talkin bout Kyrie not Mario freaking Chalmers. This is the Cavs era not the freaking Heat era stop living in your glory days. Speaking of which - Ray Allen was your man back then.

[stalkerforlife]

Kyrie #1 scorer, LeBron 2nd option - LeBron finally bought into my system so Cavs can win a chip

Blatt had to go because he wanted LeBron to have more touches than the teams best scorer

You all heard it all from me first. Cry as the LeStans might, this is Kyries team when it comes to scoring points. They're unbeatable when LeBron plays 2nd or 3rd option.

[Hey Yo]

[Dray n Klay]

Chalmers? We're talkin bout Kyrie not Mario freaking Chalmers. This is the Cavs era not the freaking Heat era stop living in your glory days. Speaking of which - Ray Allen was your man back then.

So deflections? Cool.

[AintNoSunshine]

You're inbounding the ball 1 second left on the clock, down by 2, Kyrie and LeBron are both open from 3. Who do you pass it to?

Do you throw the ball to Shaq in this case? Doesn't mean he wasn't the first option. What about if there's 5 sec, 10 sec, full shot clock? You get it to Lebron because Kyrie isn't even close to the triple threat that Lebron is. Kyrie a scorer and that's it. Lebron can do everything.