Why is Jordan's 1-9 playoff record without Pippen ignored?

[The_Pharcyde]

Because only someone with an anti-MJ agenda would think it means anything.

Jordan took the Bulls to the ECF before Pippen was even close to what he'd become. When Pippen became an all-star and played like it in the playoffs, the Bulls became Champions.

Realistically, expecting the Bulls to beat the Celtics in '86 or '87, even in a single game is really showing a lack of understanding.

Jordan never lost a playoff series with HCA, he never lost a finals, he never lost a game seven. Once he had enough talent to win around him, he never lost. These are things that matter more than a 1-9 playoff record in his first three seasons with little to no help.

It's the same as when people "ignore" or as I'd put it, focus on more important factors in the case of...

Kareem winning two playoff series from in five prime seasons (two MVP seasons) from 1975-1979 the only seasons he played without Magic or Oscar after his rookie year.

Magic making several bonehead or just bad plays in crucial playoff moments in 1981 and 1984.

Bird and the Celtics only make one Finals to Doc and the 76ers three from 1980-1983.

Wilt's Warriors getting upset by the Nationals in '61 or missing the playoffs in '63.

Shaq's pattern of being swept out of the playoffs from '95 thru '99.

Duncan's Spurs getting beaten by an eight seed or losing to the Mavs with HCA.

Kobe missing the playoffs and losing twice in the first round between 2005-2007 when he was arguably at his physical peak.

...once you put the context of those events along with an understanding of the players entire career and the different circumstances at different stages, it makes enough sense not to have to question it, unless you have an agenda of course.

^great post

I dont think you can emphasize the HCA stat enough
when Jordan was the top dog the bulls never lost... when he was supposed to win, he got the job done.. no excuses. Just 6 titles.

also think about this, the guy 3-peated(something only shaqs lakers have accomplished post merger, then took 2 years off.
came back 66 games in, lost to a better magic squad.

then went 72-10 in 96, while going 16-3 in the playoffs and sweeping the magic in the ECF. then the next year went 69-13 and iirc went 16-4(fact check me, dont know if they lost a game to the hawks)
171-30 over 2 years is amazing regardless of what you say about expansion

then won the title again the next year
6/6

[LeBird]

Because Jordan fans are deluded. They will argue a fire is going to freeze them if it suits the argument.

I mean, this is all about the fractions that people use to bash each other but going to a finals 5 times and winning twice means 2 times you were a champion and the other 3 times you were good enough to get to the finals.

In the minds of these Jordan stans, losing in the first round (mostly, not even winning 1 freaking game) is better than the above. Jordan didn't have great teams, but if he was the GOD as his stans claim, then he could win 1 game. His teams weren't that bad.

But of course, if they accept that, it means they have to accept that all it means is Jordan was flawed, like other players, and that he is only one of the GOAT candidates.

[Paul George 24]

Because Jordan fans are deluded. They will argue a fire is going to freeze them if it suits the argument.

I mean, this is all about the fractions that people use to bash each other but going to a finals 5 times and winning twice means 2 times you were a champion and the other 3 times you were good enough to get to the finals.

In the minds of these Jordan stans, losing in the first round (mostly, not even winning 1 freaking game) is better than the above. Jordan didn't have great teams, but if he was the GOD as his stans claim, then he could win 1 game. His teams weren't that bad.

But of course, if they accept that, it means they have to accept that all it means is Jordan was flawed, like other players, and that he is only one of the GOAT candidates.

u just hate jordan,plain and simple
because jordan is better than larry bird

[Stringer Bell]

Because of the opposition and the teammates he had.

[riseagainst]

Because Jordan fans are deluded. They will argue a fire is going to freeze them if it suits the argument.

I mean, this is all about the fractions that people use to bash each other but going to a finals 5 times and winning twice means 2 times you were a champion and the other 3 times you were good enough to get to the finals.

In the minds of these Jordan stans, losing in the first round (mostly, not even winning 1 freaking game) is better than the above. Jordan didn't have great teams, but if he was the GOD as his stans claim, then he could win 1 game. His teams weren't that bad.

But of course, if they accept that, it means they have to accept that all it means is Jordan was flawed, like other players, and that he is only one of the GOAT candidates.