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Old 07-17-2018, 07:09 PM   #16
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Default Re: Were the pre 3PEAT Lakers (95-99) considered massive underachievers?

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Prime Shaq was Utah's bitch during this time.. 4th
Young Shaq beat Prime Mikey
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Old 07-17-2018, 08:53 PM   #17
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Young Shaq beat Prime Mikey


And then got swept the following year by him.
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Old 07-17-2018, 09:05 PM   #18
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Default Re: Were the pre 3PEAT Lakers (95-99) considered massive underachievers?

In a way, I am disappointed the Jazz punked the Lakers in 1997 and 1998. Why? Because none of the youngsters today give much credit to those Jazz. Had MJ beaten Shaq, Kobe, Jones, Van Exel, Fox, etc in 2 finals, his legacy would be even greater. Turns out, those "2010's Clippers" had to literally destroy those Lakers.
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Old 07-17-2018, 09:11 PM   #19
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Default Re: Were the pre 3PEAT Lakers (95-99) considered massive underachievers?

To answer the OPs question, yes, they were viewed as underachievers. But it starts in 1996-97, when Shaq/Kobe first played together, so anything prior to that doesn't count. You can let go of 1996-97 because that was Kobe's rookie year. But 1997-98, they were supposed to beat the Jazz. The Lakers were deep as hell. Just much better on paper.

The 1998-99 season was a bit weird due to the strikened short season though.
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Old 07-17-2018, 09:12 PM   #20
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1997-1998

"The Lakers got off to a fast start to the season winning their first eleven games, before losing O'Neal to a strained stomach muscle that forced him to sit out 20 games.[2] In his absence, the Lakers went 13–7. They won 22 of their final 25 games to tie the Pacific Division title with the Seattle SuperSonics with a 61–21 record. It was the Lakers' best record since the 1989–90 season."

48-14 with Shaq - 64 win pace
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Old 07-17-2018, 09:31 PM   #21
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They were considered, sure. Shaq fans like myself felt they should have beat the jazz but the jazz had a good game plan and LA needed a pf and pg or a better system. I think Stockton killing van exel mentally was a huge reason, and they had a few bodies to throw at Shaq. Make it just hard enough to get the ball to Shaq and get in nicks head gg.

Guys like Eddie Jones, elden Campbell, were good but not winners. Getting Horry, fisher, and Grant mattered. Shit LA won a ring with ac green as their starting pf proving playing a proper role around stars is more important than talent.

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Old 07-18-2018, 07:36 PM   #22
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They were considered, sure. Shaq fans like myself felt they should have beat the jazz but the jazz had a good game plan and LA needed a pf and pg or a better system. I think Stockton killing van exel mentally was a huge reason, and they had a few bodies to throw at Shaq. Make it just hard enough to get the ball to Shaq and get in nicks head gg.

Guys like Eddie Jones, elden Campbell, were good but not winners. Getting Horry, fisher, and Grant mattered. Shit LA won a ring with ac green as their starting pf proving playing a proper role around stars is more important than talent.

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They already had Horry and Fisher. And, Horace Grant really didn't do a lot on the Laker team that he was on. Phil Jackson was the big difference maker for those early-00's Lakers.
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Old 07-18-2018, 08:19 PM   #23
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Eh not really. They were long on talent but short on b-ball IQ/strategy. Seeing them get murked by the Jazz in 97 and 98 is a shining example of how strategy/execution/teamwork/chemistry can overcome youth and talent. I love how this board( some people) retroactively treat those Jazz like shit nowadays, I guess because they were old with a bunch of white guys in the starting lineup. They were a tough, well-coached squad outperforming more talented teams the years they went to the finals.

Shaq more or less put up the same stats in 2000 as he did in the mid 90s( 29/13/4 on 60% shooting or thereabouts) but was much better mentally when the Lakers broke through. I'd argue the Lakers were less talented than a team like the Blazers or the Kings, but they had the two best players in most series surrounded by veteran roleplayers and a system in place as opposed to trying to out-talent everyone with Shaq/Kobe/Eddie Jones/Van Exel/Campbell etc.

This is true. The 98 jazz were the best defensive team throughout those playoffs too. Underrated
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Old 07-18-2018, 08:24 PM   #24
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Wow. A thread discussing basketball history without an obvious agenda. Repped, bro.
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