ISH's #20 Player of Alltime

[bballnoob1192]

this list is getting worse and worse started with kg and dirk.......elgin motha ****ing baylor

[RobertdeMeijer]

John Havlicek

[Dragonyeuw]

This list has gone right down the tubes since around number 15. Anyways... Elgin Baylor.

[pauk]

LEBRON JAMES NBA CAREER

2 x MVP
2 x All-Star MVP
Rookie of the Year
7 x NBA All-Star
1 x NBA scoring champion
5 x All-NBA 1st team
3 x All-Defensive 1st team
All-Rookie 1st team
1 x Gold Medal
17 x Player of the Month trophies (most in NBA history)
2 x Best NBA Player awards


STATS:

17362 points @ 27.7 PPG (#3 all time)
4451 rebounds @ 7.1 RPG
4364 assists @ 7.0 APG
1079 steals @ 1.7 SPG
532 blocks @ 0.8 BPG
40 total triple doubles

PER - 26.9 (#2 all-time and #3 in Playoffs, after Michael Jordan)


NBA achievements

One of eight players in NBA history to score 2,000 points seven consecutive seasons..[1] Includes Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Wilt Chamberlain, Michael Jordan, Alex English, Karl Malone, Oscar Robertson, Dominique Wilkins.

One of four players in NBA history to average at least 20 points, 5 rebounds, and 5 assists in their rookie season.[1] Includes Oscar Robertson, Michael Jordan, Tyreke Evans.

One of five players in NBA history to average over 25 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assists in a season (achieved this four times).[1] Includes Oscar Robertson (achieved this six times), John Havlicek (achieved this twice), Larry Bird, and Michael Jordan.

One of three players in NBA history to average at least 30 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assists in a season.[1] Includes Oscar Robertson (achieved this five times) and Michael Jordan.

One of four player in NBA history to average at least 31 points, 7 rebounds and 6 assists in a season.[1] Includes Oscar Robertson (achieved this twice), Jerry West, and Michael Jordan.

One of two players in NBA history to average at least 27 points, 6 rebounds and 6 assists for six consecutive seasons.[1] Behind Oscar Robertson, who achieved this eight consecutive times.

One of two players in NBA history to post at least 2000 points, 500 rebounds and 500 assists in a season for at least six seasons.[1] Behind Oscar Robertson, who achieved this six times in his career.

One of four players in NBA history to average at least 25 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assists for their career.[1] Includes Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, and Michael Jordan.

Only player in NBA history to average at least 26 points, 6 rebounds and 6 assists for their career.[1]
Only player in NBA history to post at least 2000 points, 500 rebounds, 500 assists and 100 steals in four straight seasons.[1]
One of three players in NBA history to average at least 30 points, 10 rebounds and 7 assists in a postseason series.[2] Includes Oscar Robertson and Larry Bird.

One of three players in NBA history to record a triple-double in their playoff debut.[1] Includes Johnny McCarthy and Magic Johnson.

One of two players in NBA history to win the NBA Player of the Month Award four times for two consecutive seasons.[3] Tied with Kevin Garnett, who achieved the same in the 2003-04 NBA Season.

One of four players in NBA history to lead their team in all five major statistical categories (total points, rebounds, assists, blocks and steals) in a season (2008–09 season).[4] Includes Dave Cowens (1977–78), Scottie Pippen (1994–95) and Kevin Garnett (2002–03).

1st player in NBA History to receive 2.5 million NBA All-Star votes on 3 separate occasions.
1st player in NBA History to score at least 40 points in the first road playoff game with 41 points at the Washington Wizards on April 28, 2006.
1st player in NBA History to lead the team in points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks for two consecutive seasons (2008–2009, 2009–2010).
1st forward in NBA history to average more than 8.0 assists per game (2009–2010).
2nd place all-time for consecutive 20-point games to start a playoff career with 19.[5] Behind Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's 27 consecutive games

Most consecutive points scored for a team in a playoff game with 25 straight points at the Detroit Pistons on May 31, 2007.[6]


Youngest player records

James owns numerous NBA "youngest player" records. He is the youngest to:

To be selected #1 overall draft pick (18 years of age).[1]
To be named NBA Rookie of the Year (19 years of age).[1]
To record a triple-double (20 years, 20 days).[1] Recorded 27 points, 11 rebounds, and 10 assists on January 19, 2005 vs. Portland Trail Blazers.
To record a triple-double in the playoffs. (21 years, 113 days).[1] Recorded 32 points, 11 rebounds, and 11 assists on April 22, 2006 vs. Washington Wizards.
To score 30 points in a game (18 years, 334 days).[1] Recorded 33 points on November 29, 2003 vs. Memphis Grizzlies
To score 40 points in a game (19 years, 88 days).[1] Recorded 41 points on March 27, 2004 vs. New Jersey Nets.
To score 2,000 points in a season (2004–05).[1]
To average at least 30 points per game in the NBA.
To be awarded All-NBA honors (2004–05).[1]
To be named to the All-NBA first team (21 years, 138 days).[1]
To win an All-Star Game MVP (21 years, 55 days).[1]
To lead the league in All-Star voting (22 years, 26 days).[1]
To lead the team in PPG (19 years of age).[1]
To score 2,000 points in seven consecutive seasons (26 years of age).[1]
To reach:[1]
Every thousand point milestone from 1,000 points through 17,000 points

[pauk]

John Havlicek

sidekick... he was like pippen... both of them not more accomplished / significant than Lebron...

[pauk]

This list has gone right down the tubes since around number 15. Anyways... Elgin Baylor.

this list is getting worse and worse started with kg and dirk.......elgin motha ****ing baylor

Elgin Baylor.

Lol at this list.

Are you sure about that?

ELGIN BAYLOR
1 x All-Star MVP
Rookie of the Year
11 x NBA All-Star
10 x All-NBA team (8x 1st team)

STATS:

23149 points @ 27.1 PPG @ 43% FG
11463 rebounds @ 13.5 RPG
3650 assists @ 4.3 APG

PER - 22.7 (#23 all-time)


LEBRON JAMES
2 x MVP
2 x All-Star MVP
Rookie of the Year
7 x NBA All-Star
1 x NBA scoring champion
7 x All-NBA team (5 x 1st team)
3 x All-Defensive 1st team
All-Rookie 1st team
1 x Gold Medal
17 x Player of the Month trophies (most in NBA history)
2 x Best NBA Player awards


STATS:

17362 points @ 27.7 PPG (#3 all time) @ 48% FG
4451 rebounds @ 7.1 RPG
4364 assists @ 7.0 APG
1079 steals @ 1.7 SPG
532 blocks @ 0.8 BPG
40 total triple doubles

PER - 26.9 (#2 all-time and #3 in Playoffs, after Michael Jordan)

[L8kersfan222]

Pippen

[WillC]

Yes, I'm 100% certain about Baylor over LeBron.

At the moment, LeBron only has 75% as many points and 39% as many rebounds as Baylor.

Meanwhile, Baylor has 3 more All-League 1st Team selections and Baylor played in 4 more All-Star Games.

In the future, LeBron will overtake Baylor (if he avoids injury), but for now you have to say Baylor had the better overall career.

[Dragonyeuw]

Are you sure about that?

ELGIN BAYLOR
1 x All-Star MVP
Rookie of the Year
11 x NBA All-Star
10 x All-NBA team (8x 1st team)

STATS:

23149 points @ 27.1 PPG @ 43% FG
11463 rebounds @ 13.5 RPG
3650 assists @ 4.3 APG

PER - 22.7 (#23 all-time)


LEBRON JAMES
2 x MVP
2 x All-Star MVP
Rookie of the Year
7 x NBA All-Star
1 x NBA scoring champion
7 x All-NBA team (5 x 1st team)
3 x All-Defensive 1st team
All-Rookie 1st team
1 x Gold Medal
17 x Player of the Month trophies (most in NBA history)
2 x Best NBA Player awards


STATS:

17362 points @ 27.7 PPG (#3 all time) @ 48% FG
4451 rebounds @ 7.1 RPG
4364 assists @ 7.0 APG
1079 steals @ 1.7 SPG
532 blocks @ 0.8 BPG
40 total triple doubles

PER - 26.9 (#2 all-time and #3 in Playoffs, after Michael Jordan)

Are you going to respond to every post that doesn't have Lebron as the answer?

[pauk]

I hate Lebron.... so i vote for anybody else who is less accomplished-significant... dont care... so this time im gona go with Pippen

Lebron haters should not be allowed to vote.....

SCOTTIE PIPPEN
6 x sidekick Championships
7 x NBA All-Star
1 x All-Star MVP
3 x All-NBA 1st team
8 x All-Defensive 1st team

STATS:

18940 points @ 16.1 PPG @ 47% FG
7494 rebounds @ 6.4 RPG
4364 assists @ 5.2 APG
2307 steals @ 2.0 SPG
947 blocks @ 0.8 BPG

PER - 18.6 (#101 all-time)

LEBRON JAMES
2 x MVP
2 x All-Star MVP
Rookie of the Year
7 x NBA All-Star
5 x All-NBA 1st team
3 x All-Defensive 1st team
All-Rookie 1st team
1 x Gold Medal
17 x Player of the Month trophies (most in NBA history)
2 x Best NBA Player awards
1 x NBA scoring champion

STATS:

17362 points @ 27.7 PPG (#3 all time) @ 48% FG
4451 rebounds @ 7.1 RPG
4364 assists @ 7.0 APG
1079 steals @ 1.7 SPG
532 blocks @ 0.8 BPG
40 total triple doubles

PER - 26.9 (#2 all-time and #3 in Playoffs, after Michael Jordan)

[pauk]

Are you going to respond to every post that doesn't have Lebron as the answer? We get it, you want Lebron voted in for the last 5-6 picks.

please stop trying to act like i have some biased agenda...

i just want the CORRECT person to end up on his rightful place.... so yes... anybody less accomplished than Lebron will end up with a response by me....

good job on trying to change subject by ignoring these facts/accomplishments... which prove your choice WRONG.... instead of ignoring and changing subjects like that, how bout simply answering my question? why on earth do you go with Elgin Baylor over Lebron James when Lebron is more accomplished?

why do i even ask... just say it... "Me hatez Lebron, so i vote for anybody else"

[Yung D-Will]

Lebron

[MichaelCheazley]

This is a hard list to make since most of us haven't seen all the greatest players.So we remember the ones we've seen or just look at stats blindly and/or choose whoever is more talked about and brought up by an older gan. I think just a top 10 or 15 list would be better. Atleast the top 10 is players are more argued about and recognized.People are more aware of their accomplishments etc. Now we have people thinking pippen>baylor and isiah which is kinda dumb. But to each his own.

[Dragonyeuw]

please stop trying to act like i have some biased agenda...

i just want the CORRECT person to end up on his rightful place.... so yes... anybody less accomplished than Lebron will end up with a response by me....

good job on trying to change subject by ignoring these facts/accomplishments... which prove your choice WRONG.... instead of ignoring and changing subjects like that, how bout simply answering my question? why on earth do you go with Elgin Baylor over Lebron James when Lebron is more accomplished?

Yes, you do have a pro-Lebron agenda, stop pretending like you don't.

In all honestly Lebron SHOULD be top 20, the reality is that the crop of power forwards between 15-18 has skewed the list, especially Dirk who, as much as I love as a player, is not top 20. I'd have him somewhere in the 22-25 slot myself. If I was ranking the list myself, the top 15 are more or less right, give or take a swap of positions here and there. I would have Barkley at 15, Malone at 16, Baylor 17, Admiral 18, Lebron 19. And, Lebron while he's already accomplished alot, has plenty of time to move up the list, which by the way is completely subjective and people are using different criteria for their voting rationale. You need to get over yourself, how the **** can a SUBJECTIVE list really be a right or wrong choice? None of this shit is ****ing gospel, chill the **** out. And no, I didn't change the subject. I asked a simple god damn question, for every post from now on which doesn't have Lebron as the answer, you're going to go on your own personal crusade to respond? Whatever works for you.

Anyways, Elgin Baylor.

[WillC]

Hmm, now, let's see. Should we vote for one of the greatest players of all-time who was hugely respected by everyone in his era and was named to the All-League 1st Team eight times... or a player half way through his career?

Tough one.