is it safe to say Shaq "NEVER did sh*t" without an elite Kobe Bryant?

[kennethgriffin]

1993 - missed playoffs ( Nick Anderson 20 ppg )
1994 - swept 1st round ( Penny/Nick both 16.0 ppg )
1995 - swept in finals ( Penny Hardaway 21 ppg )
1996 - swept 3rd round ( Penny Hardaway 22 ppg ) *Quits on Orlando
1997 - lost 2nd round ( Eddie Jones 17 ppg )
1998 - swept 3rd round ( Eddie Jones 17 ppg ) *Traded by Lakers
2005 - lost 3rd round ( Dwyane Wade 24 ppg )
2006 - won ring as 3rd option ( Finals = Wade 34ppg, Toine 13.8ppg, shaq 13.7ppg )
2007 - swept 1st round ( Dwyane Wade 27 ppg ) *Quits on Miami
2008 - lost 1st round ( Amare Stoudemire 25 ppg )
2009 - missed playoffs ( Amare Stoudemire 21 ppg ) *Quits on Phoenix
2010 - lost 2nd round ( Lebron James 29 ppg ) *Quits on Cleveland
2011 - lost 2nd round ( Paul Pierce 19 ppg ) *Quits on Boston



what a f*cked up career









"The Big Journeyman"

[RRR3]

Yes. Kobe da GOAT GAWD

[ralph_i_el]

Bruh he beat MJ in the playoffs when Kobe was beating off to MJ in the playoffs.

[DonDadda59]

Shaq's career sans Bean>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bean's career sans Derek Fisher

[SouBeachTalents]

Yes, if you take 6 years away from a players prime/peak, their career doesn't look as good

[HylianNightmare]

.1 points?

[kennethgriffin]

compare this to with elite kobe


1999 - swept 3rd round ( Kobe Bryant 20 ppg ) *lockout asterisk
2000 - NBA champions ( Kobe Bryant 23 ppg )
2001 - NBA champions ( Kobe Bryant 28 ppg )
2002 - NBA champions ( Kobe Bryant 26 ppg )
2003 - lost 2nd round ( Kobe Bryant 30 ppg ) *Kobe injured in playoffs
2004 - lost in finals ( Kobe Bryant 24 ppg ) *Malone injured in finals


practically winning all 3 times they should have or when it would have counted

[kennethgriffin]

my bad.. it was actually 13.8 for toine and 13.7 for shaq

[Heavincent]

OP goes way overboard, but it is true that Kobe without Shaq >>> Shaq without Kobe

That said, Shaq was a more dominant player at his peak (best peak of all time), so it's weird that he didn't accomplish all that much without Kobe.

[kennethgriffin]

Yes, if you take 6 years away from a players prime/peak, their career doesn't look as good

take any 6 year period away from kobes career. no matter what kobe still ends up with multiple rings as a dominant force averaging near 30ppg in the playoffs

[ShawkFactory]

compare this to with elite kobe


1999 - swept 3rd round ( Kobe Bryant 20 ppg ) *lockout asterisk
2000 - NBA champions ( Kobe Bryant 23 ppg )
2001 - NBA champions ( Kobe Bryant 28 ppg )
2002 - NBA champions ( Kobe Bryant 26 ppg )
2003 - lost 2nd round ( Kobe Bryant 30 ppg ) *Kobe injured in playoffs
2004 - lost in finals ( Kobe Bryant 24 ppg ) *Malone injured in finals


practically winning all 3 times they should have or when it would have counted

Would have counted?

[plowking]

In what way, as a true basketball fan, can you come away with that conclusion, or the fact that Kobe is better than Shaq at basketball?

Are we all watching the same thing? Shaq is just a better player. Nothing will change that.

[SpecialQue]

Bruh he beat MJ in the playoffs when Kobe was beating off to MJ in the playoffs.

Nicely done.

[COLOR="White"]but seriously fvck shaq[/COLOR]

[Mr. Jabbar]

yes its safe

[catch24]

No.

You're free to quit making topics that generate Kobe hate, you lunatic.