How important are the all-nba teams to you when ranking a player?

[Dr Hawk]

Do you guys keep that in mind when you are going to decide how good a player was/is to you? incuding all-defensive teams of course


I'm ignorant on who are the voters for all-nba teams

[ShawkFactory]

I don't know how many all NBA teams anybody has.

So yea

[stalkerforlife]

LMAO @ the insinuation that first team ALL-NBA teams are not one of the most important measures of greatness, considering that ONLY all time greats have the most selections.

[stalkerforlife]

I don't know how many all NBA teams anybody has.

So yea

Convenient for a Branvestite that hates Kobe.

[ShawkFactory]

Convenient for a Branvestite that hates Kobe.

Convenient to call me a branvestite that hates Kobe

[stalkerforlife]

Here...let me translate for the OP and his goons...

"I hate Kobe. First team ALL-NBA selections are meaningless. I like sucking co ck."

[ShawkFactory]

Here...let me translate for the OP and his goons...

"I hate Kobe. First team ALL-NBA selections are meaningless. I like sucking co ck."

I mean, I would imagine that Bron has been on the first team every year since 05 or so.

Add another this year and he's probably got about as much as Kobe

[Dr Hawk]

Here...let me translate for the OP and his goons...

"I hate Kobe. First team ALL-NBA selections are meaningless. I like sucking co ck."

This is a honest thread. No agenda at all. Only thing is clear so far is your insecurity levels are sky high

[LAZERUSS]

In their 10 seasons in the league together...

Wilt held a 7-2 margin over Russell in First Team All-NBA selections. And by every metric, he was clearly better than Russell in '69. In fact, by every metric, he was clearly better than Wes Unseld and Willis Reed that season, as well (and yet, all three centers outvoted Chamberlain in the MVP balloting.)

[Dr Hawk]

In their 10 seasons in the league together...

Wilt held a 7-2 margin over Russell in First Team All-NBA selections. And by every metric, he was clearly better than Russell in '69. In fact, by every metric, he was clearly better than Wes Unseld and Willis Reed that season, as well (and yet, all three centers outvoted Chamberlain in the MVP balloting.)

For the record, there is no way I would take Russell over Chamberlain

[34-24 Footwork]

OP,

How much stock do you put into finals losses?

[stalkerforlife]

OP,

How much stock do you put into finals losses?

[Dr Hawk]

OP,

How much stock do you put into finals losses?

Depends 100% on the performance of the player.

Lebron's 2011 hurt him a LOT, he had to win those Finals
Lebron's 2014 loss doesn't hurt him, he played well.
Laker's loss on 1970 doesn't hurt West, he played well.

So as I said, it depends 100% on how they perform.

[ScalsFan21]

Depends 100% on the performance of the player.

Lebron's 2011 hurt him a LOT, he had to win those Finals
Lebron's 2014 loss doesn't hurt him, he played well.
Laker's loss on 1970 doesn't hurt West, he played well.

So as I said, it depends 100% on how they perform.

Pretty much. LeBron in 2011, Kobe in 2004 are all-time horrific. LeBron's being worse. It was clear that 2004 Kobe and 2011 LeBron both allowed their disdain for being 2nd fiddle to throw them off their games. Difference was Kobe was way worse than Shaq so he should've been okay with it, while LeBron was somewhat rightfully frustrated that he was demoted to second fiddle for a year despite being the best player on his team. On the other hand, Kobe's historically bad '04 was more based on trying to do more than he was capable of as opposed to letting himself get phased out mentally and choking, so that balances it out to an extent.

TL;DR both were horrendous but yes, LBJ's was quite clearly worse.

Finals losses like LeBron in 2007/2014/2015 shouldn't have much if any stock put into them, and if anything 2014 shed some light on how impressive a feat 2013's win was for the King. LeBron's teams were clear underdogs each time he was in the finals from a talent perspective with the exception of 2011, while Kobe was the inarguable favorite going into at least 5 of them, the only possible exceptions being the Boston series which were debatable. Jordan had the better team all 6 times he was there. So yeah as nice as "2/6" sounds in theory, context makes it irrelevant to the discerning eye.

[feyki]

Less than mvp votes .

And those about season , real era is playoffs .