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    Default Re: Kobe's legacy if Lakers don't make playoffs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Heavincent
    Are you retarded?

    Kobe's legacy is set in stone. He's a consensus top 10 player of all time. He's already proven everything. This season does absolutely nothing to change that. Sorry.

    Also, LOL at comparing Hakeem to Dwight. Howard hasn't even been the best center this year. Not to mention it's an unbelievably weak era for centers. Hakeem was on a completely different level.
    well it does prove Kobe is a system player somewhat right?

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    34 yrs old. 17th season. 52,000+ minutes. Still putting up 30/5/5/2 on excellent efficiency. Playing 40+ minutes a night.

    Won't hurt his legacy at all. If anything, the fact that he's still playing at this level will be a boost to his legacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HorryIsMyMVP
    well it does prove Kobe is a system player somewhat right?
    Kobe's the opposite of a system player.. Haters will argue he breaks systems on purpose just to get his own.

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    how would it hurt his legacy? he's the best player in the world playing on garbage ass team filled with big names who play like scrubs. not his fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HorryIsMyMVP
    well it does prove Kobe is a system player somewhat right?
    Most all time greats, in all team sports, have benefited from certain systems. How much success did Jordan have without Phil Jackson? Then you have Duncan, who has played for one of the greatest coaches in sports for his entire career. Shaq won 4 rings with two legendary coaches. Different sport, but Tom Brady has definitely benefited from Belichick's system.

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    Default Re: Kobe's legacy if Lakers don't make playoffs?

    He's averaging 30-5-5 on 58TS/52EFG. 9 of there losses came when he scored 35+, and 4 losses came when he scored 40+. He's leading the league in scoring while in his 17th season. Nobody has ever led the league in scoring in their 17th season. No guard in his 17th+ season has ever averaged over 15 ppg, and Kobe is doubling that right now. Also, like Shaqattack mentioned, this doesn't take away his 5 rings.
    Last edited by Deuce Bigalow; 01-12-2013 at 03:52 PM.

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    Default Re: Kobe's legacy if Lakers don't make playoffs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Heavincent
    Most all time greats, in all team sports, have benefited from certain systems. How much success did Jordan have without Phil Jackson? Then you have Duncan, who has played for one of the greatest coaches in sports for his entire career. Shaq won 4 rings with two legendary coaches. Different sport, but Tom Brady has definitely benefited from Belichick's system.
    So pretty much it was all Phil Jackson?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShaqAttack3234
    I think his legacy is pretty safe with the 5 rings and more than a dozen years of great play. This extremely disappointing season doesn't erase those years and rings. Besides, I don't see why people would look at Kobe given how he's played and place the blame on him given all of the other obvious factors.
    QFT...

    Is like saying Lebron's legacy would be tarnished because he joined two other stars in their prime because he couldn't win by himself?

    Nobody can win by themselves, everybody in the team of basketball need to play with other people, and if those people are not good enough you're not going to win.

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    Default Re: Kobe's legacy if Lakers don't make playoffs?

    Quote Originally Posted by tpols
    Kobe's the opposite of a system player.. Haters will argue he breaks systems on purpose just to get his own.
    Yeah but the triangle negates that because it's a system of predicting where Kobe's misses are going to bounce to and getting the rebound.

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    Default Re: Kobe's legacy if Lakers don't make playoffs?

    Wut.

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    Default Re: Kobe's legacy if Lakers don't make playoffs?

    Quote Originally Posted by HorryIsMyMVP
    Yeah but the triangle negates that because it's a system of predicting where Kobe's misses are going to bounce to and getting the rebound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash
    It hurts Kobe because he's the only one of the 4 stars that has a legacy to protect.

    It would be like Jordan in 1997 joining up with Hakeem(Dwight best center in the NBA) + 2 other stars and missing the playoffs. If that happened for Jordan, it would be a HUGE negative in his career.
    I think this is a good way to look at it. How would Jordan be perceived now if that happened. Would his overall aura be less now in the average person's mind?

    Quote Originally Posted by HorryIsMyMVP
    It wouldn't hurt it at all. You guys are acting like Nash wasn't out for 20 games. Dwight wasn't hurt and playing like shit. While now hes not even playing.
    Injuries happen all the time, the difference here is that the Lakers still have a lot of talent to be a playoff team without Nash.

    Quote Originally Posted by tpols
    It would be like Shaq joining lebron.. Or the Celtics after their finals run.. Or Barkley with drexler and hakeem.. Or Chris Webber joining the Pistons.. Or Jason Kidd joining the current Knicks.. Or Gary payton and Karl Malone joining prime kobe and Shaq.. Shall I go on?
    All those you mentioned made the playoff.

    Quote Originally Posted by tpols
    Kobe's the opposite of a system player.. Haters will argue he breaks systems on purpose just to get his own.
    This is true.
    Last edited by jstern; 01-12-2013 at 03:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HorryIsMyMVP
    Yeah but the triangle negates that because it's a system of predicting where Kobe's misses are going to bounce to and getting the rebound.
    What?

    I don't think you know what a system player is.. People can argue amare is a system player that can only thrive in a high octane PnR offense.. People can argue rip Hamilton was a system player that can only thrive on a team with a lot of off ball screening and passing aka equal opportunity offense. A system m player is someone whose game can only excel when they are given the ball in certain situations.

    Kobe is the ultimate iso, freelance basketball player.. The exact opposite of what you're saying.

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    Default Re: Kobe's legacy if Lakers don't make playoffs?

    Quote Originally Posted by tpols
    What?

    I don't think you know what a system player is.. People can argue amare is a system player that can only thrive in a high octane PnR offense.. People can argue rip Hamilton was a system player that can only thrive on a team with a lot of off ball screening and passing aka equal opportunity offense. A system m player is someone whose game can only excel when they are given the ball in certain situations.

    Kobe is the ultimate iso, freelance basketball player.. The exact opposite of what you're saying.
    I'm saying the only reason that Kobe is successful is because of Phil Jackson's coaching and reducing the negative effects of Kobe's chucking. Phil still had his frustrations but it is true that Phil would draw up plays to get offensive rebounds. They anticipated Kobe to miss and this was the recipe to championships. Now Kobe has to be a leader and his team just expects him to make shots. Therefor hes not gonna make the play off's.

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    Default Re: Kobe's legacy if Lakers don't make playoffs?

    Quote Originally Posted by HorryIsMyMVP
    They anticipated Kobe to miss and this was the recipe to championships. Now Kobe has to be a leader and his team just expects him to make shots. Therefor hes not gonna make the play off's.

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