2008-2010 Lakers vs. 2011-2013 Heat

[DMAVS41]

Lakers got a slightly-past-his-peak Kobe, Artest and young Ariza to contain LeBron and Wade. Bosh would get demolished in the you-know-what by Bynum and Gasol.

In 2010 vs 2013? Absolutely...

In 2009 vs 2012? Just no...Lebron would be the best player in the series. And he had a better supporting cast than Kobe did. Not to mention Bynum didn't play much or well in 09. Trust me...being able to throw Lebron/Wade/Battier at Kobe would have made life extremely difficult on him...and even worse...he'd have to defend for all his minutes because Wade and Lebron would beast otherwise.

The 09 Lakers are not beating the 12 Heat...

[DMAVS41]

Another great point.

Even if competition was slightly worse in some cases, in 2013 Wade was on his last legs for the season, and in 2012 Bosh was out for the majority of the Pacers series just about.

I don't see the relevance with Bosh. He was back in the finals in 2012 and played very well.

Totally agree about 13 though...not enough people give enough value to just how hurt Wade was in 13 and how poorly the Heat were actually playing.

[Rocketswin2013]

The Spurs hung in there because of their incredible 3pt shooting. I don't see anyone on the Lakers, who could do what Green, and to a lesser extent, Neal did. The Spurs basically had 5 players who were destroying the Heat (Parker, Duncan, Green, Neal, and Leonard). With the Lakers, Miami wouldn't have the same problem.

'11 Heat vs '08 Lakers? The Heat would absolutely annihilate them. Prime Wade, a near 20/10 Bosh, and a 20/7/7 LeBron? Yeah, no way in hell are the Lakers stopping them.

'12 Heat >>>> essentially any version of the Kobe led Lakers. LeBron was just on another level in the Playoffs.

1. Bynum is literally a rich man's Roy hibbert.... let that sink in
... He would ****stomp every single one of Miami's rotational front court players on the low-block. (Note: this is a Lakers squad that out rebounded Dwight ****ing Howard in his prime by a stupid-large margin......Miami is the worst rebounding team to win an NBA title, in the NBA's HISTORY.

2.Lamar Odom would have given them hell in every facet. We all know Spoelstra likes to hide LeBron on weaker players( Don't worry, not bashing, coaches do that to every great player to avoid foul trouble), so who could LeBron guard if there's a lineup of Fisher-Kobe-Odom-Gasol-Bynum? Matchup hell.

3. Pau Gasol in those title runs was a much better player than Tim Duncan on both ends. Bottom line. And he was everything Bosh wanted to be.

Lamar Odom: 10 rebounds per game

Andrew Bynum 10 rebounds per game

Pau Gasol: 11 rebounds per game

Miami does not have as big of a mismatch anywhere as big as LA does on the frontcourt. Bottom line. Any LA team vs any Miami team in 6 max.

[aj1987]

1. Bynum is literally a rich man's Roy hibbert.... let that sink in
... He would ****stomp every single one of Miami's rotational front court players on the low-block. (Note: this is a Lakers squad that out rebounded Dwight ****ing Howard in his prime by a stupid-large margin......Miami is the worst rebounding team to win an NBA title, in the NBA's HISTORY.

2.4 rebounds per game is a "stupid-large" margin? Miami get out rebounded by more than twice that, literally every single game and they still obliterate their opponents. Miami is the worst rebounding team, true. That's why they prioritize efficiency. To cut down on wasted possessions.

2.Lamar Odom would have given them hell in every facet. We all know Spoelstra likes to hide LeBron on weaker players( Don't worry, not bashing, coaches do that to every great player to avoid foul trouble), so who could LeBron guard if there's a lineup of Fisher-Kobe-Odom-Gasol-Bynum? Matchup hell.

Actually, LeBron doesn't foul much. He guards the weaker player to conserve energy for the offensive end. When required, he did shut down PG in the ECF (G7). When that lineup is on the floor, Miami would likely have Chalmers/Rio/Wade-LeBron-Battier/Haslem-Bosh-Andersen. Battier was a terrific defender and Haslem was pretty good as well. Bosh on Gasol, Andersen on Bynum, LeBron on Kobe, and Wade on Fisher. Who the heck in that Laker lineup would stop LeBron and Wade? The Lakers backcourt is gonna get wrecked.

3. Pau Gasol in those title runs was a much better player than Tim Duncan on both ends. Bottom line. And he was everything Bosh wanted to be.

Not defensively. On the offensive end, he was much better, but lets not forget that Timmy was playing DPOY level defense last year.

Lamar Odom: 10 rebounds per game

Andrew Bynum 10 rebounds per game

Pau Gasol: 11 rebounds per game

How are Bynum and Odom jumping from 4-8 to 10 rebounds per game?

Miami does not have as big of a mismatch anywhere as big as LA does on the front court.

@ Odom trying to stop LeBron. There's a reason why LeBron dropped 30/8/7/2/1 on 50% against the Lakers between '08 and '10, during their 6 games (of which, LeBron won 4).

Bottom line. Any LA team vs any Miami team in 6 max.

Yep. Miami would absolutely destroy those LA teams.

[zoom17]

lakers win in 7

I thought the Heat are stacked though.

[tpols]

Do heat fans have any objective evidence to support the fact that pau/odom/Bynum wouldn't destroy Miami front line worse than what west/Hibbert did?

Also how would they contain a super version of Paul George in kobe while helping on the big men?

Indus biggest problem was ball security and passing through seams.. Kobe and pau and odom are all much better passers than George west hibbert

[Rocketswin2013]

2.4 rebounds per game is a "stupid-large" margin? Miami get out rebounded by more than twice that, literally every single game and they still obliterate their opponents. Miami is the worst rebounding team, true. That's why they prioritize efficiency. To cut down on wasted possessions.


Actually, LeBron doesn't foul much. He guards the weaker player to conserve energy for the offensive end. When required, he did shut down PG in the ECF (G7). When that lineup is on the floor, Miami would likely have Chalmers/Rio/Wade-LeBron-Battier/Haslem-Bosh-Andersen. Battier was a terrific defender and Haslem was pretty good as well. Bosh on Gasol, Andersen on Bynum, LeBron on Kobe, and Wade on Fisher. Who the heck in that Laker lineup would stop LeBron and Wade? The Lakers backcourt is gonna get wrecked.


Not defensively. On the offensive end, he was much better, but lets not forget that Timmy was playing DPOY level defense last year.


How are Bynum and Odom jumping from 4-8 to 10 rebounds per game?


@ Odom trying to stop LeBron. There's a reason why LeBron dropped 30/8/7/2/1 on 50% against the Lakers between '08 and '10, during their 6 games (of which, LeBron won 4).


Yep. Miami would absolutely destroy those LA teams.

1. Considering Dwight was rebounding at Rodman levels in the playoffs, holding him to just 10 per game is an unreal feat. And yes, Miami gets rebounded on even worse, imagine if they would have faced the greatest rebounding trio in NBA history?




2. LOL. Bosh plays EXACTLY how Pau would want a big-man to play on him, soft, non-physical D and would try to use his length. Which would be terrible against Gasol, Gasol out-weighs and his way taller than him, he would shoot right over the top of Bosh. LOL at the thought of LeBron guarding Kobe, Spoelstra would never let him do it , quick cheap fouls automatically. LOL @ Haslem guarding Odom out on the perimeter, easy dunk everytime he touches the ball and faces up on him from the 3 point line.

(And to comment on your stupid point about LeBron not fouling....... like i said, he plays spot up shooters who have no offensive game. Easy covers.)

And lastly 6'10(at best) 245 pound, 4 rebounds per game Andersen on 7'0 280 pound, "rich man's Roy hibbert" Bynum.....I mean......would he even get.....a rebound? Hell, **** a rebound, would he even get a stop?

3. Andrew Bynum rebounds per game in 08', 09', and 10': 10 RPG, 8 RPG , 8 RPG

Odom in those 3 years: 11 RPG, 8 RPG, 10 RPG,

Gasol: 8 RPG, 10 RPG, 11 RPG................

Stop the 4-8 RPG BS exaggerations. All of them are better rebounders than Miami ever had during this run.

4. Odom doesn't always have to be the one to Guard LeBron, you have Ariza and Artest in 09 and 10. Overall, Miami would be way too outmatched.

LA in 6 at worst for LA. blowouts are more than likely.

[tpols]

I thought the Heat are stacked though.

Styles make fights.. you guys are using series like the 2012 finals and acting like heat would play the same against the Thunder as they would against LA.. When they're nothing alike.

LA is basically the pacers with better big men and a top 5 GOAT perimeter player.. heat struggled with PGs shooting because they had to help down low so much.. now imagine kobe in his place. He'd put on an exhibition

[DMAVS41]

Do heat fans have any objective evidence to support the fact that pau/odom/Bynum wouldn't destroy Miami front line worse than what west/Hibbert did?

Also how would they contain a super version of Paul George in kobe while helping on the big men?

Indus biggest problem was ball security and passing through seams.. Kobe and pau and odom are all much better passers than George west hibbert

Simple. They don't.

The 10 Lakers rape the 13 Heat.

[AnaheimLakers24]

09 lakers beat those 5 teams

[DMAVS41]

09 lakers beat those 5 teams

They don't beat the 12 Heat.

Lebron would be the best player in the series...and he'd have more help than Kobe actually. And Bynum wasn't nearly as good in 09 as he was in 10...also, 12 Wade is under-rated. Kobe in 09 was better, but Kobe having to guard Wade/Lebron...and then being guarded by Wade/Lebron/Battier would be trouble for him.

And as good as Gasol was...he's not good enough to be the difference in that series.

[tpols]

They don't beat the 12 Heat.

Lebron would be the best player in the series...and he'd have more help than Kobe actually. And Bynum wasn't nearly as good in 09 as he was in 10...also, 12 Wade is under-rated. Kobe in 09 was better, but Kobe having to guard Wade/Lebron...and then being guarded by Wade/Lebron/Battier would be trouble for him.

And as good as Gasol was...he's not good enough to be the difference in that series.

Bron would be the best player in 2013 too.. 13 Bron is better than 10 kobe.. He's in the middle of his prime while kobe was on the last year of his.

So that reasoning doesn't work.. since you claimed that 10 Lakers would beat 13 miami and the same reasoning applies.

What would change? Kobe has ariza one year and artest the next.. Fisher both years. Almost identical circumstances

[aj1987]

1. Considering Dwight was rebounding at Rodman levels in the playoffs, holding him to just 10 per game is an unreal feat. And yes, Miami gets rebounded on even worse, imagine if they would have faced the greatest rebounding trio in NBA history?

Wrong again. Dwight averaged 15 per game and the Lakers out rebounded them by 2.4. I never said that Miami wouldn't get out rebounded. I'm saying that this happens to Miami literally every game and yet, they still manage to win. They got out rebounded by 8 in the ECF and they still won.

2. LOL. Bosh plays EXACTLY how Pau would want a big-man to play on him, soft, non-physical D and would try to use his length. Which would be terrible against Gasol, Gasol out-weighs and his way taller than him, he would shoot right over the top of Bosh. LOL at the thought of LeBron guarding Kobe, Spoelstra would never let him do it , quick cheap fouls automatically. LOL @ Haslem guarding Odom out on the perimeter, easy dunk everytime he touches the ball and faces up on him from the 3 point line.

Yeah, I'm posting straight up facts and all you've got it lol's and my player > your player? FACT: LeBron straight up destroyed the Lakers, when he was with the damn Cav's. FACT: LeBron never fouled out when he played against Kobe. FACT: LeBron is a smart defender, who doesn't pick up cheap fouls.

NOBODY on the Lakers can guard LeBron. Battier and Haslem would help on Odom. It's not like his 10 and 7 or 12 and 8 would hurt the Heat.

Lets also not forget that the Lakers literally can't stop the Heat, while their main scorer in Kobe would get absolutely harassed by LeBron and Wade, with help from Battier. If the Lakers do actually win a series, Gasol wins the FMVP.

(And to comment on your stupid point about LeBron not fouling....... like i said, he plays spot up shooters who have no offensive game. Easy covers.)

Like Rose in '11, Durant in '12, Pierce in '12, Melo in '12, TP in 13, and PG in '13, right? 'Cause all of them are spot up shooters? Idiot.

And lastly 6'10(at best) 245 pound, 4 rebounds per game Andersen on 7'0 280 pound, "rich man's Roy hibbert" Bynum.....I mean......would he even get.....a rebound? Hell, **** a rebound, would he even get a stop?

The 6/4 Andrew Bynum or the 7/5 Andrew Bynum (7/5 against the '10 Celtics, BTW).

3. Andrew Bynum rebounds per game in 08', 09', and 10': 10 RPG, 8 RPG , 8 RPG

6/4 against the 6'10 Howard and 7/5 against the Celtics.

Odom in those 3 years: 11 RPG, 8 RPG, 10 RPG

8 against the Magic and 6 agains the Celtics.

Stop the 4-8 RPG BS exaggerations. All of them are better rebounders than Miami ever had during this run.

Odom: 8 per game against the Magic and 6 against the Celtics.
Bynum: 4 against the Magic and 5 against the Celtics.

4. Odom doesn't always have to be the one to Guard LeBron, you have Ariza and Artest in 09 and 10. Overall, Miami would be way too outmatched.

Again, LeBron has routinely DESTROYED them, while playing with the shitty Cav's. What do you think he's gonna do to them, when he has more help.

LA in 6 at worst for LA. blowouts are more than likely.

Keep living in that dream world.

[DMAVS41]

Bron would be the best player in 2013 too.. 13 Bron is better than 10 kobe.. He's in the middle of his prime while kobe was on the last year of his.

So that reasoning doesn't work.. since you claimed that 10 Lakers would beat 13 miami and the same reasoning applies.

What would change? Kobe has ariza one year and artest the next.. Fisher both years. Almost identical circumstances

Are you serious?

Both Wade and Bosh were much worse in 2013.

Like, seriously...Wade wasn't a hobbled mess in 2012 like he was in 2013. Not to mention that Bynum was better in 2010 as well.

How are the Lakers beating the 12 Heat? Lebron is the best player and his more help than Kobe. Even worse, the Heat can throw Lebron, much healthier Wade, and Battier at Kobe all game...and Kobe has to guard the 12 version of Wade (again, much better than 13 Wade)...

How are they winning? Gasol is better than Bosh, but not by enough to overcome the above.

I mean...Lebron's help in 12 is just easily better than it was in 13. And Kobe's help in 10, imo, was better than it was in 09.

The reasoning makes perfect sense.

Shit...really just look at Wade. I can't tell if 12 Wade is under-rated...or people don't realize just how much Wade dropped off in 13.

[tpols]

@dmavs.. true wade and bosh were better..but the pacers did the same thing to them in 2012 as they did in 2013.. so if the pacers could compete like that so could the lakers.

09 kobes getting slept on.. He was much better than 2012 wade.. Gasol was dirty that year too. He's much better than west or hibbert and they gave miami fits

@aj why are you bringing up the cavs? They were one of the best rebounding and low post defense playing teams in the league. LA could never take advantage of the cavs big men like they could Joel anthony and bosh.

Also odom stats against one of the best rebounding teams in the league in the magic are not comparable to what he'd do to the heat.