Compare Wade's FMVP vs Jordan's FMVP's

[ArbitraryWater]

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[NumberSix]

A better comparison would be Shaq's FMVPs vs Jordan's FMVP....


IMO, Shaq FMVPs are the greatest of any player.

[SamuraiSWISH]

In '91 Jordan had nice stats but he faced a mediocre defensive Lakers team

'91 Lakers were top 5 ranked defense. 2006 Mavericks were the 11th ranked defense.

[swagga]

A better comparison would be Shaq's FMVPs vs Jordan's FMVP....


IMO, Shaq FMVPs are the greatest of any player.

shaq's a monster. you can't really compare him with anybody. GOAT peak bar none, you take nobody over peak shaq, no jordan, no magic, no bird, no cap, etc.

[dankok8]

'91 Lakers were top 5 ranked defense. 2006 Mavericks were the 11th ranked defense.

'91 Lakers and '06 Mavs both have a DRtg of 105.0... Lakers were injured though with Worthy hobbled and Scott out from Game 4 onwards. '91 Jordan put up awesome numbers (though not really better) but Wade's impact in '06 was superior. He brought his team back from down from 0-2 and down 13 points with 6 minutes in Game 3.

I'd be more willing to concede '92 Finals but it's debatable also.

BTW over the last 4 games Wade put up 39.3 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 3.5 apg, 2.5 spg, 1.0 bpg on 50.5 %FG/61.8 %TS with 3.3 topg.

[SamuraiSWISH]

'91 Lakers and '06 Mavs both have a DRtg of 105.0...

DRtg shouldn't be compared across eras. Pace, style of play as well as numerous other variables make league average change from year to year. Point is the '91 Lakers v.s. their contemporaries were a better defense than the 2006 Mavericks were against their contemporaries.

You claimed the Mavericks were better. At worst they're the same given your own DRtg argument. The truth? '91 Lakers were top five defense that season, while the 2006 Mavericks weren't even top ten.

Jordan put up 31 ppg, and 11 apg ... guarding a top five to top ten player of all-time for the majority of the series (Magic Johnson) and limited his effectiveness or ability to dominate.

That alone puts his performance on another level compared to D-Wade. Are you kidding me?

MJ's '91, '92, '93, and '97 Finals didn't rely on a MAJOR boost from soft, suspect officiating putting Jordan at the foul line at a laughable, and embarrassing rate. MJ got buckets.

Wade hit some nice mid range shots, don't get me wrong but his numbers were padded by terrible foul calls. He didn't get the name "D-Whistle" following that series for no reason.

Meanwhile MJ put in 13 consecutive field goals, culminating in the switch hands in mid-air layup that has been cemented as one of the most lasting images ever in the game of basketball.

Not only are MJ's stats on an individual level superior in his first three Finals, the context of how they were achieved are far greater than Wade's. Jordan's numbers in the '97 Finals are arguably better as well, in combination with much more historically iconic moments or games.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

'91 Lakers and '06 Mavs both have a DRtg of 105.0... Lakers were injured though with Worthy hobbled and Scott out from Game 4 onwards. '91 Jordan put up awesome numbers (though not really better) but Wade's impact in '06 was superior. He brought his team back from down from 0-2 and down 13 points with 6 minutes in Game 3.

I'd be more willing to concede '92 Finals but it's debatable also.

BTW over the last 4 games Wade put up 39.3 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 3.5 apg, 2.5 spg, 1.0 bpg on 50.5 %FG/61.8 %TS with 3.3 topg.

Yeah, and the '03 Wizards had a lower DRTG than the '91 Bulls. You just can't compare these type of adjusted stats across era's. Makes for goofy results.

DRtg shouldn't be compared across eras. Pace, style of play as well as numerous other variables make league average change from year to year. Point is the '91 Lakers v.s. their contemporaries were a better defense than the 2006 Mavericks were against their contemporaries.

You claimed the Mavericks were better. At worst they're the same given your own DRtg argument. The truth? '91 Lakers were top five defense that season, while the 2006 Mavericks weren't even top ten.

Jordan put up 31 ppg, and 11 apg ... guarding a top five to top ten player of all-time for the majority of the series (Magic Johnson) and limited his effectiveness or ability to dominate.

That alone puts his performance on another level compared to D-Wade. Are you kidding me?

MJ's '91, '92, '93, and '97 Finals didn't rely on a MAJOR boost from soft, suspect officiating putting Jordan at the foul line at a laughable, and embarrassing rate. MJ got buckets.

Wade hit some nice mid range shots, don't get me wrong but his numbers were padded by terrible foul calls. He didn't get the name "D-Whistle" following that series for no reason.

Meanwhile MJ put in 13 consecutive field goals, culminating in the switch hands in mid-air layup that has been cemented as one of the most lasting images ever in the game of basketball.

Not only are MJ's stats on an individual level superior in his first three Finals, the context of how they were achieved are far greater than Wade's. Jordan's numbers in the '97 Finals are arguably better as well, in combination with much more historically iconic moments or games.

Excellent post as usual.

[Angel Face]

DRtg shouldn't be compared across eras. Pace, style of play as well as numerous other variables make league average change from year to year. Point is the '91 Lakers v.s. their contemporaries were a better defense than the 2006 Mavericks were against their contemporaries.

You claimed the Mavericks were better. At worst they're the same given your own DRtg argument. The truth? '91 Lakers were top five defense that season, while the 2006 Mavericks weren't even top ten.

Jordan put up 31 ppg, and 11 apg ... guarding a top five to top ten player of all-time for the majority of the series (Magic Johnson) and limited his effectiveness or ability to dominate.

That alone puts his performance on another level compared to D-Wade. Are you kidding me?

MJ's '91, '92, '93, and '97 Finals didn't rely on a MAJOR boost from soft, suspect officiating putting Jordan at the foul line at a laughable, and embarrassing rate. MJ got buckets.

Wade hit some nice mid range shots, don't get me wrong but his numbers were padded by terrible foul calls. He didn't get the name "D-Whistle" following that series for no reason.

Meanwhile MJ put in 13 consecutive field goals, culminating in the switch hands in mid-air layup that has been cemented as one of the most lasting images ever in the game of basketball.

Not only are MJ's stats on an individual level superior in his first three Finals, the context of how they were achieved are far greater than Wade's. Jordan's numbers in the '97 Finals are arguably better as well, in combination with much more historically iconic moments or games.

[moaz]

I'll give u the answer any person outside ISH/realgm will give you:

Who is wade?

[dankok8]

DRtg shouldn't be compared across eras. Pace, style of play as well as numerous other variables make league average change from year to year. Point is the '91 Lakers v.s. their contemporaries were a better defense than the 2006 Mavericks were against their contemporaries.

You claimed the Mavericks were better. At worst they're the same given your own DRtg argument. The truth? '91 Lakers were top five defense that season, while the 2006 Mavericks weren't even top ten.

Jordan put up 31 ppg, and 11 apg ... guarding a top five to top ten player of all-time for the majority of the series (Magic Johnson) and limited his effectiveness or ability to dominate.

That alone puts his performance on another level compared to D-Wade. Are you kidding me?

MJ's '91, '92, '93, and '97 Finals didn't rely on a MAJOR boost from soft, suspect officiating putting Jordan at the foul line at a laughable, and embarrassing rate. MJ got buckets.

Wade hit some nice mid range shots, don't get me wrong but his numbers were padded by terrible foul calls. He didn't get the name "D-Whistle" following that series for no reason.

Meanwhile MJ put in 13 consecutive field goals, culminating in the switch hands in mid-air layup that has been cemented as one of the most lasting images ever in the game of basketball.

Not only are MJ's stats on an individual level superior in his first three Finals, the context of how they were achieved are far greater than Wade's. Jordan's numbers in the '97 Finals are arguably better as well, in combination with much more historically iconic moments or games.

The '11 league was stronger defensively. DRtg is points allowed per 100 possessions. It's the best indicator of defense. Nothing is perfect compared across eras but it's all we have. The rest is subjective jibber-jabber.

I never said '11 Mavs > '91 Lakers defensively I just said the Lakers weren't great on defense and I stand by that especially considering their injuries.

Jordan was on Magic in Game 1 and he got killed by Johnson in the post. From Game 2 onwards it was mostly Pip on Magic.

Pippen was eons better than any player Wade had in his run. '93 Jordan put on a heroic performance and that makes it over > Wade. Wade in '06 was heroic coming back from 0-2 and 13 down with 6 min in Game 3. All hope was lost and Dwyane found a way. Jordan in '91 and '92 was NOT heroic. His team beat a team they were clearly better than and he put up great numbers in the process. In '97 he was heroic but his overall game had declined by that point. Those years are debatable.

[NumberSix]

I'll give u the answer any person outside ISH/realgm will give you:

Who is wade?

Of course its Wade Jones.

[Magic 32]

Jordan in '91 and '92 was NOT heroic. His team beat a team they were clearly better than and he put up great numbers in the process.

They were clearly better because of Jordan.

[SamuraiSWISH]

They were clearly better because of Jordan.

Seriously, the '92 Blazers and '93 Suns were clearly more talented. '91 Lakers were pretty evenly matched from a talent perspective. If James Worthy was there they would've been more talented as well.

[dankok8]

Seriously, the '92 Blazers and '93 Suns were clearly more talented. '91 Lakers were pretty evenly matched from a talent perspective. If James Worthy was there they would've been more talented as well.

Maybe if you look at only offensive talent. Jordan, Pippen, and Grant may have been the best defenders in the league at their respective positions. How about Phil Jackson?

Plus Pippen was easily better than any 2nd option.

[Mr Feeny]

Seriously, the '92 Blazers and '93 Suns were clearly more talented. '91 Lakers were pretty evenly matched from a talent perspective. If James Worthy was there they would've been more talented as well.

Even the 91 Lakers were favored. Riley ran his mouth and said something to the effect that "you'd always back us cuz we got the experience."

Magic in the aftermath of game 2 sounded bitter as hell as he told the media that it doesn't mayter how much the Bulls beat them by in game 2. It's still 1-1. They would take care of Chicsgo at the forum.

Then, as the story goes, at practice between games 2 and 3, Phil gathered the players and asked them if they could get 2 out of 3 at Los Angeles, and MJ stopped him before emphatically saying that the Bulls would take all three. Every onewas stunned but only a week or so later, the Bulls had done just that.

The last play of the series symbolized everyrhing perfectly. Jordan blocking Magic before giving it to Pippen to run out the clock.