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    Default Re: Lebron needed 2-time all-star C; 1st team defender; & future COY to make 06' Playoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
    He didn't need a winning record either

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    Default Re: Lebron needed 2-time all-star C; 1st team defender; & future COY to make 06' Playoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents

    He didn't need a winning record either
    Stats for mj/lebron's first 3 playoff seasons


    REGULAR SEASON

    MJ. 85-87':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 31.7 ppg.. 2.0 oreb.. 3.6 dreb.. 5.0 apg.. 2.6 spg.. 1.2 bpg.. 57.1 ts.. 27.8 PER
    LBJ 06-08':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27.2 ppg.. 1.2 oreb.. 5.9 dreb.. 7.1 apg.. 1.4 spg.. 1.0 bpg.. 56.3 ts.. 27.2 PER..


    ^^^ jordan got 8 seeds, while lebron produced less but got 2 and 4 seeds


    PLAYOFFS

    MJ. 85-87':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 35.5 ppg.. 1.9 oreb.. 4.4 dreb.. 6.9 apg.. 2.4 spg.. 1.5 bpg.. 56.0 ts.. 27.4 PER
    LBJ 06-08':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27.5 ppg.. 1.4 oreb.. 6.6 dreb.. 7.3 apg.. 1.6 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 53.1 ts.. 23.8 PER..


    ^^^ jordan lost in 1st Round, while lebron produced less but made Finals


    Lebron's cast made up the production gap.. He needed 2005 all-star Zydrunas and Hughes to make the 06' playoffs, just like MJ needed rookie Pippen to make the 2nd round.. except rookie pippen wasn't capable of 2-time all-star (Zydrunas), or 22/5/5 and 1st team all-D (05' Hughes)

    Unfortunately, the way the media analyzes lebron/MJ, they imply that lebron was getting high seeds and the Finals with the same casts that MJ got 8 seeds with... But that's not true, and the stats above show that mj was producing far more than lebron

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    Default Re: Lebron needed 2-time all-star C; 1st team defender; & future COY to make 06' Playoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball
    Stats for mj/lebron's first 3 playoff seasons


    REGULAR SEASON

    MJ. 85-87':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 31.7 ppg.. 2.0 oreb.. 3.6 dreb.. 5.0 apg.. 2.6 spg.. 1.2 bpg.. 57.1 ts.. 27.8 PER
    LBJ 06-08':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27.2 ppg.. 1.2 oreb.. 5.9 dreb.. 7.1 apg.. 1.4 spg.. 1.0 bpg.. 56.3 ts.. 27.2 PER..


    ^^^ jordan got 8 seeds, while lebron produced less but got 2 and 4 seeds


    PLAYOFFS

    MJ. 85-87':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 35.5 ppg.. 1.9 oreb.. 4.4 dreb.. 6.9 apg.. 2.4 spg.. 1.5 bpg.. 56.0 ts.. 27.4 PER
    LBJ 06-08':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27.5 ppg.. 1.4 oreb.. 6.6 dreb.. 7.3 apg.. 1.6 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 53.1 ts.. 23.8 PER..


    ^^^ jordan lost in 1st Round, while lebron produced less but made Finals


    Lebron's cast made up the production gap.. He needed 2005 all-star Zydrunas and Hughes to make the 06' playoffs, just like MJ needed rookie Pippen to make the 2nd round.. except rookie pippen wasn't capable of 2-time all-star (Zydrunas), or 22/5/5 and 1st team all-D (05' Hughes)

    Unfortunately, the way the media analyzes lebron/MJ, they imply that lebron was getting high seeds and the Finals with the same casts that MJ got 8 seeds with... But that's not true, and the stats above show that mj was producing far more than lebron
    Stop posting facts! It ruins the "didn't need a winning record either" argument and results in lebron looking mediocre compared to MJ.

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    Default Re: Lebron needed 2-time all-star C; 1st team defender; & future COY to make 06' Playoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
    He didn't need a winning record either
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    Default Re: Lebron need 2-time all-star C; perimeter sidekick defender & COY to make 06 Playoffs

    Thread Cliffs

    JORDAN - needed nothing to make the playoffs
    LEBRON - needed 2-time all-star center, sidekick perimeter defender, COY


    Then Lebron added 2 more all-stars in 09/10 (Mo, Jamison), another all-league defender (varejao), and the 09' all-star MVP (shaq) to be 4th option..

    all this in a weak conference that didn't require a good cast to make the Finals - 5 weak casts had made the Finals from 01-09' (09' Dwight 09', 02/03 Kidd, 01' AI, 07' Lebron)..

    yet Lebron failed to make the 09/10 Finals despite being a favorite in a weak conference, so he stacked the deck from 11-18' to ensure Finals runs.. it was a slimy move.
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    Default Re: Lebron need 2-time all-star C; perimeter sidekick defender & COY to make 06 Playoffs

    Thread Cliffs: OP Stans a losing record. Everyone laughs at him.

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    Default Re: Lebron need 2-time all-star C; perimeter sidekick defender & COY to make 06 Playoffs

    I don't know how many more times we need to collectively send this to you but it appears many more times, so here it is:

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    Default Re: Lebron needed 2-time all-star C; 1st team defender; & future COY to make 06' Playoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by egokiller
    Stop posting facts! It ruins the "didn't need a winning record either" argument and results in lebron looking mediocre compared to MJ.
    I'm sorry did he or did he not make the 85 playoffs with a winning record?

    It's not an argument It's FACTS

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    Default Re: Lebron need 2-time all-star C; perimeter sidekick defender & COY to make 06 Playoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by Rico2016

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    Why do you guys keep posting your shifts at McDonald

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    Default Re: Lebron need 2-time all-star C; perimeter sidekick defender & COY to make 06 Playoffs

    [QUOTE=bison]Why do you guys keep posting your shifts at McDonald

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    Default Re: Lebron needed 2-time all-star C; 1st team defender; & future COY to make 06' Playoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by SpaceJam
    I'm sorry did he or did he not make the 85 playoffs with a winning record?

    It's not an argument It's FACTS
    [COLOR="Red"]Here's how much tougher MJ's conference was:[/COLOR]


    PLAYOFFS

    MJ. 85-87':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 35.5 ppg.. 1.9 oreb.. 4.4 dreb.. 6.9 apg.. 2.4 spg.. 1.5 bpg.. 56.0 ts.. 27.4 PER
    LBJ 06-08':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27.5 ppg.. 1.4 oreb.. 6.6 dreb.. 7.3 apg.. 1.6 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 53.1 ts.. 23.8 PER..


    [Color="red"]^^^ Yet Jordan lost in 1st Round, while lebron produced less but made Finals[/color]

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    Default Re: Lebron need 2-time all-star C; perimeter sidekick defender & COY to make 06 Playoffs

    3ball scrambling right now.

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    Default Re: Lebron needed 2-time all-star C; 1st team defender; & future COY to make 06' Playoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball
    [COLOR="Red"]Here's how much tougher MJ's conference was:[/COLOR]


    PLAYOFFS

    MJ. 85-87':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 35.5 ppg.. 1.9 oreb.. 4.4 dreb.. 6.9 apg.. 2.4 spg.. 1.5 bpg.. 56.0 ts.. 27.4 PER
    LBJ 06-08':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27.5 ppg.. 1.4 oreb.. 6.6 dreb.. 7.3 apg.. 1.6 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 53.1 ts.. 23.8 PER..


    [Color="red"]^^^ Yet Jordan lost in 1st Round, while lebron produced less but made Finals[/color]
    But you always claim Kobe > LeBron, so if we were to do this same exact comparison for them, you’d be completely contradicting yourself

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    Default Re: Lebron needed 2-time all-star C; 1st team defender; & future COY to make 06' Playoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
    But you always claim Kobe > LeBron, so if we were to do this same exact comparison for them, you’d be completely contradicting yourself
    Not at all - I've never claimed that young Kobe had a weaker cast than young lebron - young Kobe's cast was clearly much better - everyone knows that, so im on solid ground

    You guys are the ones ignoring that lebron had a better cast than MJ, which is why his teams were seeded much higher despite him producing much less than MJ

    MJ had nothing until 1990, while lebron had 3 all-stars (Zydrunas, Mo, Jamison), 2 all-league defenders (Hughes, Varejao), the 09' all-star mvp as 4th option in 10', and the COY
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    Last edited by 3ball; 09-06-2019 at 02:30 PM.

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    Default Re: Lebron needed 2-time all-star C; 1st team defender; & future COY to make 06' Playoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball
    Not at all - I've never claimed that young Kobe had a weaker cast than young lebron - young Kobe's cast was clearly much better - everyone knows that, so im on solid ground

    You guys are the ones ignoring that lebron had a better cast than MJ, which is why his teams were seeded much higher despite him producing much less than MJ

    MJ had nothing until 1990, while lebron had 3 all-stars (Zydrunas, Mo, Jamison), 2 all-league defenders (Hughes, Varejao), the 09' all-star mvp as 4th option in 10', and the COY
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