The Top 10 Myths about Kobe Bryant/Lakers explained

[Christofire]

So garnett is 215 lbs? Only perkins is the big guy...

Garnet weighs 253 lbs....what are you talking about?

[HighFlyer23]

Garnet weighs 253 lbs....what are you talking about?

253 lbs?!?

The Jordan era actually had GREAT centers. Hakeem, young Shaq, DRob, Ewing, Zo etc. All who were over 215 lbs btw

[Christofire]

zone + no hand-check > hand-check + illegal defense


zone is by far more of an effective defensive tool for stopping perimeter players than handchecking

[Micku]

surely if the defense was so good they could've slowed them down?

No. That wasn't the case because they used to run up the court and set their plays very fast to shoot.

There's no need for a facepalm. It's math. Look:

for players and teams it is points allowed per 100 posessions.

- http://www.basketball-reference.com/...y.html#def_rtg

Possessions
We can estimate possessions very well from box score stats by using this formula.

FGA-OR+TO+0.475xFTA

For each team, possessions are counted for the team and their opponents, and then averaged.

Efficiency gives us broad view of how well the offense or defense functions, but we can break efficiency into what Dean Oliver dubbed the Four Factors. Shooting, rebounding, turnovers, and free throws provide the basic components of efficiency.

- http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/web...ats_explained/


And check out the 80s in comparison to the 2004.

The average FGA in 2004 was 6545. The average FGA in 1988 was 7268. That's a 600+ shot difference. Also, look at the pacing:

2004: the average pacing was 90.1.

1988: the average pacing was 99.6.

Not to mention the shot selection was better, which makes it harder to defend.

And since you have to divide every possession by 100 in order for defensive rating to be effective, this makes that every year it is inflated to that specific year. Which makes defensive rating invalid to compare of all time.

[Christofire]

253 lbs?!?

The Jordan era actually had GREAT centers. Hakeem, young Shaq, DRob, Ewing, Zo etc. All who were over 215 lbs btw

notice i said in the 80s.....but since you want entertainment....even ewing weighed less than Garnett...ewing was 240 lbs when he played...thats less than Pau gasol who is 250 lbs

[whoartthou]

notice i said in the 80s.....but since you want entertainment....even ewing weighed less than Garnett...ewing was 240 lbs when he played...thats less than Pau gasol who is 250 lbs

this guy.

So now you are basing you argument on how much someone weighs?

[Christofire]

No. That wasn't the case because they used to run up the court and set their plays very fast to shoot.



There's no need for a facepalm. It's math. Look:



- http://www.basketball-reference.com/...y.html#def_rtg



- http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/web...ats_explained/


And check out the 80s in comparison to the 2004.

The average FGA in 2004 was 6545. The average FGA in 1988 was 7268. That's a 600+ shot difference. Also, look at the pacing:

2004: the average pacing was 90.1.

1988: the average pacing was 99.6.

Not to mention the shot selection was better, which makes it harder to defend.

And since you have to divide every possession by 100 in order for defensive rating to be effective, this makes that every year it is inflated to that specific year. Which makes defensive rating invalid to compare of all time.

so the defense was so bad that they couldnt stop the run and gun and bsaically the team with the bette offensive players won because they would miss less shot?.....essentially offense was the defense. i get it now...The defense indeed greater back then. it makes perfect sense to me now how defense can be better despite teams scoring so much points and shooting such high percentages

[Micku]

So if you are trying to say that a team in 2004 is better defensively than the best defensively team in 1986 by using defensively rating, it's not an accurate thing to say because there were more possesions. So Yao Ming's Foot been using the defensive rating wrong. You shouldn't even compare it for different years, not to mention eras.

[Christofire]

this guy.

So now you are basing you argument on how much someone weighs?

just wait til i get to the puny and short arse guards jordan abused

[Christofire]

So if you are trying to say that a team in 2004 is better defensively than the best defensively team in 1986 by using defensively rating, it's not an accurate thing to say because there were more possesions. So Yao Ming's Foot been using the defensive rating wrong. You shouldn't even compare it for different years, not to mention eras.

best team defensively based on those inferior stadards of defense. Theirdefense was so good they allowed 60+ points by one man....Great D, one with no fundamentals at that,,,,


"but jordan was athletically superior"

[HighFlyer23]

notice i said in the 80s.....but since you want entertainment....even ewing weighed less than Garnett...ewing was 240 lbs when he played...thats less than Pau gasol who is 250 lbs

This dude honestly believes Garnett is any where NEAR 250 lbs and that Gasol and him weigh more than Ewing did

And then the zone argument begins, restarting the whole cycle that Kobe homers should've learned that they fail at

[Micku]

so the defense was so bad that they couldnt stop the run and gun and bsaically the team with the bette offensive players won because they would miss less shot?.....essentially offense was the defense. i get it now...The defense indeed greater back then. it makes perfect sense to me now how defense can be better despite teams scoring so much points and shooting such high percentages

No. Have you seen the what they used to do in the 80s or early 90s? They used to run down the court, always to try to get an open shot. Even if the other team had half court defense, they used to back them down extremely quickly.

And then they used to do plays a lot quicker, and get a shot up.

In today's game, they take their time to shoot. And also, in today's game, they sometimes use the full 24 second clock, and they would set up for a 3. They didn't used to do that back then. It was a totally different style.

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But the rotation of defense is better in the 00s IMO.

[Christofire]

So if you are trying to say that a team in 2004 is better defensively than the best defensively team in 1986 by using defensively rating, it's not an accurate thing to say because there were more possesions. So Yao Ming's Foot been using the defensive rating wrong. You shouldn't even compare it for different years, not to mention eras.

Is their any stat that we can use that doesnt have to be manipulated to favor Jordan?.....first we adjust the pace to make the inferior deensive era he played in look good.. what next are we going to adjust the heights of the short arse guards he played against?

[Micku]

best team defensively based on those inferior stadards of defense. Theirdefense was so good they allowed 60+ points by one man....Great D, one with no fundamentals at that,,,,


"but jordan was athletically superior"

That's silly. Shaq used to destroy his opponents, and score high 30 sometimes high 40 points. LeBron displayed a legendary performance against the Pistons. Wade killed the Celts last year. What's so hard about believing that Jordan did something similar against one of the best defensive teams at that time?

It seems like you have a hard time grasping it.

[Christofire]

No. Have you seen the what they used to do in the 80s or early 90s? They used to run down the court, always to try to get an open shot. Even if the other team had half court defense, they used to back them down extremely quickly.

And then they used to do plays a lot quicker, and get a shot up.

In today's game, they take their time to shoot. And also, in today's game, they sometimes use the full 24 second clock, and they would set up for a 3. They didn't used to do that back then. It was a totally different style.

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But the rotation of defense is better in the 00s IMO.

Back them down extremely quickly?.....if the defense was bad enough to allow then so be it. do you think that that tactic could work today and increase scoring to what it was with the defensive riles we have in place now?