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Re: great Scottie Pippen interview about 1995-1996 Chicago Bulls
Originally Posted by Loki
The team with the most assits wins, period.
Some Basketball Laws:
LAW 1: [COLOR="Red"]A Great Offensive and Defensive Perimeter Oriented Back Court Team with a Good Defensive Frontline but A Bad to Average Offensive Frontline (The 90s Bulls) can Beat A Team that has: an "Average to Bad Offensive/Defensive Frontline" and an "Good, Average or Bad" Offensive/Defensisve Backcourt
= Most of the 1990s Teams the Bulls faced [/COLOR]
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LAW 2: [COLOR="red"] A Great Offensive and Defensive Perimeter Oriented Back Court Team with a Good Defensive Frontline but A Bad to Average Offensive Frontline (The 90s Bulls)[/COLOR] will have A Hard Time Beating [COLOR="Blue"]A Team that has: a "Great Defensive Frontline" and a "Great Defensive Backcourt" but with a "Bad Offensive Frontline" and Good "Offensive Backcourt"
= 1980s Pistons (owned the Bulls from 1984 to 1990) [/COLOR]
[COLOR="blue"]*With Adrian Dantley they would have had not a "Good Offensive Backcourt" but a "Great Offensive Backcourt". So that would have persented even more trouble for the Bulls...
...As it did from 1987 to 1989 :) [/COLOR]
LAW 3: [COLOR="Red"]A Great Offensive and Defensive Perimeter Oriented Back Court Team with a Good Defensive Frontline but A Bad to Average Offensive Frontline (The 90s Bulls)[/COLOR] will have even a harder time Beating A[COLOR="Navy"] Team that has: a "Great Defensive Frontline" and a "Great Defensive Backcourt" with an "Average to Good Offensive Frontline" and an "Average to Bad Offensive Backcourt"
= Early 1990s Knicks (took them To Game 7 in 1992)
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*The Knicks Just Needed an Offensive Weopon (apart from Ewing) in either one of their Frontline Forward Spots.:)[/COLOR]
LAW 4:[COLOR="Red"] "A Great Offensive and Defensive Perimeter Oriented Back Court Team" with a "Good Defensive Frontline" but "A Bad to Average Offensive Frontline" (The 90s Bulls)[/COLOR]Most Probably Not Win Over A [COLOR="DarkRed"]Team that has: a "Good Defensive Frontline" and a "Great Offense Frontline" with an "Average to Good Defensive Backcourt" and "A Great Offensive Backcourt"
=1980s Showtime Lakers. Especially the 1985 to 1987 Lakers with Kareem-Magic and Worthy together plus their Supporting Casts of Scott, Thompson, Cooper, Green, Rambis.[/COLOR]
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Finally....
LAW 5: [COLOR="red"]"A Great Offensive and Defensive Perimeter Oriented Back Court Team" with a "Good Defensive Frontline" but "A Bad to Average Offensive Frontline" (The 90s Bulls)[/COLOR] Has No No Chance [COLOR="DarkGreen"] In Beating A Team that has: a "Great Defensive Frontline" and a "Great Offensive Frontline with "Good Offensive Backcourt" and an "Great Defensive Backcourt"
=1986 Celtics with McHale-Bird-Parish-Walton-Ainge-DJ-Kite-Wedman, Siesting.[/COLOR]
The only way fro the Bulls to try to win some games is quite simple:
Locate Pippen as the PG for Most of the Game and Kukoc at the SF for Most of the game. This way with Kukoc and Pippen both in you would have more Scoring Possibilites but then again with No Pippen in the SF spot = you would have a WEAKER DEFENSE for the Likes of Bird-McHale-Parish and Walton ([COLOR="DarkGreen"]Yes the Celtics Strenght = Frontline Offense and Defense[/COLOR]!).
If you put Harper in for Pippen as a PG and Pippen as the SF for Most of the Game you will
[COLOR="Blue"]1st- Loose Creative Possibilities to make the Frontline Offense Score and
2nd- Consume Pippen. Whom cannot asoume the role of trying to:
1st: Try to Stop: Larry Bird!
2nd: Become the Second Scoring Threat after Jordan,
3rd: Rebound over Bird-McHale-Parish-Walton and
4th: Create as a Point-Forward.
= Simply To much Load for Pip.[/COLOR]
Matchups
[COLOR="Blue"]Backcourt:[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Jordan vs Ainge/DJ: Jordan Would Own Danny Ainge Offensively but still would not prevent him from Scoring Outside Shots.
(JORDAN WINS!) [/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkRed"]Harper vs Ainge: Both will go at it with Harper having the edge in his Drives but then again this is Prime Ainge and Old Harper
(Ballanced Match Up)[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Blue"]Frontline[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]McHale vs Rodman : Rodman Would get Owned by a 1986 McHale Offensively and Defensively. Rodman will only Outrebound McHale but would Not Stop Him from Scoring Nor Score on Him.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=rodmade01
Mchale: 22.5 PPG (57.9% FG), 8.8 RPG; 1.5 BPG vs Rodman.
This is counting stats from 1990-91 to 1992-93 = A 33 to 35 year old Mchale not a Prime 1985-86 McHale at age: 28!
(McHALE WINS!)[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]Bird vs Pippen-Kukoc. Bird would own both of them Offensively and Rebounding Wise. None will Prevent Bird from owning the Boards, Posting Up for his 12-15 Jumpers, Scoring in other ways and Making Great Passes for Parish-McHale-Walton or even spoting up DJ or Ainge for Open Shots after Pick & Rolls made by the Frontline.
Pippen will Challange Bird in the Perimeter but Bird always will do what he used to do against faster players. Just wait closer to his Frontline to assure rebounds waiting for Pippen to Shoot from the Outside, which = Pippen`s Not a Reliable Open Shooter.
Kukoc will Challange Bird in the Post but then then again Bird will have an easier time Offensively with Kukoc than with Pippen (because Pippen is obviously a better Defender).
Reminder***Bird owned Pippen from 1988 to 1992[/COLOR]
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=pippesc01
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]But remember this time we are talking not about a 31 to 35 year old Bird but a Prime 23 to 29 year old Bird. And yes Before his injury in 1989
(BIRD WINS!)
Parish vs Bulls Center: Any Bull`s Center would get Owned by a 1986 Parish both Offensively and Defensively.
(PARISH WINS!)
Then agin if Rodman needs a Pounding, The Celtics will just put in Walton for a Twin Tower System with Parish and McHale, putting Bird as a SG for some minutes and then later put in 6`11 ft and 250 lbs Greg Kite = A Dennis Rodman like type agressive Paint Player that was famous for brawls. Not to mention the guy was a 9.3 R.P/36 Minutes. [/COLOR]
RESUME OF THE LAWS:
"A Great Frontline (Composed of 3 Players) Will Always Own a Good/Great Backcourt (Composed of 2 Players) " .
Examples:
[COLOR="Blue"]2008 Finals Lakers v.s Celtics Result = Same would happen to the 95-96 Bulls if they faced a 1985-86 Celtics[/COLOR]
* In the Case of the Bulls. The Bulls can only assure one spot in the Game Matchups of [COLOR="Blue"]Total Ownership by Jordan[/COLOR] = that is [COLOR="Red"]Jordan vs Ainge/DJ[/COLOR].
[COLOR="DarkRed"]Harper vs Ainge is a Ballanced Won.[/COLOR]
The Rest of the Matchups:
Bird vs Pippen: [COLOR="DarkGreen"]Bird Wins[/COLOR]
McHale vs Rodman: [COLOR="darkgreen"]Mchale Wins[/COLOR]
Parish vs Bulls Center=[COLOR="DarkGreen"] Parish[/COLOR] [COLOR="Blue"]Total Ownership![/COLOR]
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The 1995-96 Bulls Have "Very Little Chances" of Beating a 1984-85/1986-87 Lakers and
Pretty Much "No Chance" in Beating a 1985-86 Celtics (Greatest Team Ever)
Last edited by Sir Charles; 08-13-2008 at 07:06 AM.
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Re: great Scottie Pippen interview about 1995-1996 Chicago Bulls
The 90s Bulls wouldn't have beaten the 80s Magic or Lakers.
But that doesn't prove Magic or Bird's superiority over Jordan in any way.
It just proves Bull's #2 through #12 was significantly weaker than the Celtics and Laker's #2 through #12.
Because make no mistake, the best player of all three teams is still Michael Jordan.
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Re: great Scottie Pippen interview about 1995-1996 Chicago Bulls
Originally Posted by EricForman
The 90s Bulls wouldn't have beaten the 80s Magic or Lakers.
But that doesn't prove Magic or Bird's superiority over Jordan in any way.
It just proves Bull's #2 through #12 was significantly weaker than the Celtics and Laker's #2 through #12.
Because make no mistake, the best player of all three teams is still Michael Jordan.
Being a Better Player Has Nothing To do With Your Team Winning or Winning More than the Other Player...
Its a prooven fact (I have given enough evidence read at the top) that the 1995/96 Bulls have "Very Little Chance" of Beating the 1984-85/1986-87 Lakers, and Absoluetly "No Chance" in Beating the 1986-86 Celtics".
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Re: great Scottie Pippen interview about 1995-1996 Chicago Bulls
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Re: great Scottie Pippen interview about 1995-1996 Chicago Bulls
Bulls in six over both the Celtics and Lakers.
The Bulls would put Pippen on Magic or Bird and that would completely disrupt their entire "run n' gun" offense and it would change the entire game. Jordan and Rodman would then be further create chaos on the defensive end.
The Celtics and Lakers both had problems versus Detroit and the Bulls were every bit as good defensively, probably even better because they were more athletic.
Dumars at 6'4 simply can't do the things Pippen at 6'7 could do defensively.
The Celtics interior defense was so good that it got shredded to 63 points by a 2nd year Michael Jordan on their own home floor. The Celtics wouldn't be able to do anything to stop Jordan. Or even Pippen IMO (he would get his 20+ too offsetting a lot of Bird's offense).
Last edited by Soundwave; 08-13-2008 at 11:16 AM.
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Re: great Scottie Pippen interview about 1995-1996 Chicago Bulls
Originally Posted by Soundwave
Bulls in six over both the Celtics and Lakers.
The Bulls would put Pippen on Magic or Bird and that would completely disrupt their entire "run n' gun" offense and it would change the entire game. Jordan and Rodman would then be further create chaos on the defensive end.
The Celtics and Lakers both had problems versus Detroit and the Bulls were every bit as good defensively, probably even better because they were more athletic.
Dumars at 6'4 simply can't do the things Pippen at 6'7 could do defensively.
The Celtics interior defense was so good that it got shredded to 63 points by a 2nd year Michael Jordan on their own home floor. The Celtics wouldn't be able to do anything to stop Jordan. Or even Pippen IMO (he would get his 20+ too offsetting a lot of Bird's offense).
I think you're overrating Pip.
He's one of the greatest defenders, no doubt.
But at the end of the day, Magic and Bird are still MAgic and Bird. They wouldn't let Pip get in their way.
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Re: great Scottie Pippen interview about 1995-1996 Chicago Bulls
Originally Posted by Soundwave
Bulls in six over both the Celtics and Lakers.
The Bulls would put Pippen on Magic or Bird and that would completely disrupt their entire "run n' gun" offense and it would change the entire game. Jordan and Rodman would then be further create chaos on the defensive end.
The Celtics and Lakers both had problems versus Detroit and the Bulls were every bit as good defensively, probably even better because they were more athletic.
Dumars at 6'4 simply can't do the things Pippen at 6'7 could do defensively.
The Celtics interior defense was so good that it got shredded to 63 points by a 2nd year Michael Jordan on their own home floor. The Celtics wouldn't be able to do anything to stop Jordan. Or even Pippen IMO (he would get his 20+ too offsetting a lot of Bird's offense).
[COLOR="Black"]1984-85/1986-87 Lakers vs 1995-96 Bulls = Lakers in 7
1986-86 Celtics vs 1995-96 Bulls = Celtics in 6[/COLOR]
Read this and Learn Why:
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Some Basketball Laws:
LAW 1: [COLOR="Red"]A Great Offensive and Defensive Perimeter Oriented Back Court Team with a Good Defensive Frontline but A Bad to Average Offensive Frontline (The 90s Bulls) can Beat A Team that has: an "Average to Bad Offensive/Defensive Frontline" and an "Good, Average or Bad" Offensive/Defensisve Backcourt
= Most of the 1990s Teams the Bulls faced [/COLOR]
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LAW 2: [COLOR="red"] A Great Offensive and Defensive Perimeter Oriented Back Court Team with a Good Defensive Frontline but A Bad to Average Offensive Frontline (The 90s Bulls)[/COLOR] will have A Hard Time Beating [COLOR="Blue"]A Team that has: a "Great Defensive Frontline" and a "Great Defensive Backcourt" but with a "Bad Offensive Frontline" and Good "Offensive Backcourt"
= 1980s Pistons (owned the Bulls from 1984 to 1990) [/COLOR]
[COLOR="blue"]*With Adrian Dantley they would have had not a "Good Offensive Backcourt" but a "Great Offensive Backcourt". So that would have persented even more trouble for the Bulls...
...As it did from 1987 to 1989 :) [/COLOR]
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LAW 3: [COLOR="Red"]A Great Offensive and Defensive Perimeter Oriented Back Court Team with a Good Defensive Frontline but A Bad to Average Offensive Frontline (The 90s Bulls)[/COLOR] will have even a harder time Beating A[COLOR="Navy"] Team that has: a "Great Defensive Frontline" and a "Great Defensive Backcourt" with an "Average to Good Offensive Frontline" and an "Average to Bad Offensive Backcourt"
= Early 1990s Knicks (took them To Game 7 in 1992)
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*The Knicks Just Needed an Offensive Weopon (apart from Ewing) in either one of their Frontline Forward Spots.:)[/COLOR]
LAW 4:[COLOR="Red"] "A Great Offensive and Defensive Perimeter Oriented Back Court Team" with a "Good Defensive Frontline" but "A Bad to Average Offensive Frontline" (The 90s Bulls)[/COLOR]Most Probably Not Win Over A [COLOR="DarkRed"]Team that has: a "Good Defensive Frontline" and a "Great Offense Frontline" with an "Average to Good Defensive Backcourt" and "A Great Offensive Backcourt"
=1980s Showtime Lakers. Especially the 1985 to 1987 Lakers with Kareem-Magic and Worthy together plus their Supporting Casts of Scott, Thompson, Cooper, Green, Rambis.[/COLOR]
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Finally....
LAW 5: [COLOR="red"]"A Great Offensive and Defensive Perimeter Oriented Back Court Team" with a "Good Defensive Frontline" but "A Bad to Average Offensive Frontline" (The 90s Bulls)[/COLOR] Has No No Chance [COLOR="DarkGreen"] In Beating A Team that has: a "Great Defensive Frontline" and a "Great Offensive Frontline with "Good Offensive Backcourt" and an "Great Defensive Backcourt"
=1986 Celtics with McHale-Bird-Parish-Walton-Ainge-DJ-Kite-Wedman, Siesting.[/COLOR]
The only way fro the Bulls to try to win some games is quite simple:
Locate Pippen as the PG for Most of the Game and Kukoc at the SF for Most of the game. This way with Kukoc and Pippen both in you would have more Scoring Possibilites but then again with No Pippen in the SF spot = you would have a WEAKER DEFENSE for the Likes of Bird-McHale-Parish and Walton ([COLOR="DarkGreen"]Yes the Celtics Strenght = Frontline Offense and Defense[/COLOR]!).
If you put Harper in for Pippen as a PG and Pippen as the SF for Most of the Game you will
[COLOR="Blue"]1st- Loose Creative Possibilities to make the Frontline Offense Score and
2nd- Consume Pippen. Whom cannot asoume the role of trying to:
1st: Try to Stop: Larry Bird!
2nd: Become the Second Scoring Threat after Jordan,
3rd: Rebound over Bird-McHale-Parish-Walton and
4th: Create as a Point-Forward.
= Simply To much Load for Pip.[/COLOR]
Matchups
[COLOR="Blue"]Backcourt:[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Jordan vs Ainge/DJ: Jordan Would Own Danny Ainge Offensively but still would not prevent him from Scoring Outside Shots.
(JORDAN WINS!) [/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkRed"]Harper vs Ainge: Both will go at it with Harper having the edge in his Drives but then again this is Prime Ainge and Old Harper
(Ballanced Match Up)[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Blue"]Frontline[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]McHale vs Rodman : Rodman Would get Owned by a 1986 McHale Offensively and Defensively. Rodman will only Outrebound McHale but would Not Stop Him from Scoring Nor Score on Him.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=rodmade01
Mchale: 22.5 PPG (57.9% FG), 8.8 RPG; 1.5 BPG vs Rodman.
This is counting stats from 1990-91 to 1992-93 = A 33 to 35 year old Mchale not a Prime 1985-86 McHale at age: 28!
(McHALE WINS!)[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]Bird vs Pippen-Kukoc. Bird would own both of them Offensively and Rebounding Wise. None will Prevent Bird from owning the Boards, Posting Up for his 12-15 Jumpers, Scoring in other ways and Making Great Passes for Parish-McHale-Walton or even spoting up DJ or Ainge for Open Shots after Pick & Rolls made by the Frontline.
Pippen will Challange Bird in the Perimeter but Bird always will do what he used to do against faster players. Just wait closer to his Frontline to assure rebounds waiting for Pippen to Shoot from the Outside, which = Pippen`s Not a Reliable Open Shooter.
Kukoc will Challange Bird in the Post but then then again Bird will have an easier time Offensively with Kukoc than with Pippen (because Pippen is obviously a better Defender).
Reminder***Bird owned Pippen from 1988 to 1992[/COLOR]
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=pippesc01
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]But remember this time we are talking not about a 31 to 35 year old Bird but a Prime 23 to 29 year old Bird. And yes Before his injury in 1989
(BIRD WINS!)
Parish vs Bulls Center: Any Bull`s Center would get Owned by a 1986 Parish both Offensively and Defensively.
(PARISH WINS!)
Then agin if Rodman needs a Pounding, The Celtics will just put in Walton for a Twin Tower System with Parish and McHale, putting Bird as a SG for some minutes and then later put in 6`11 ft and 250 lbs Greg Kite = A Dennis Rodman like type agressive Paint Player that was famous for brawls. Not to mention the guy was a 9.3 R.P/36 Minutes. [/COLOR]
RESUME OF THE LAWS:
"A Great Frontline (Composed of 3 Players) Will Always Own a Good/Great Backcourt (Composed of 2 Players) " .
Examples:
[COLOR="Blue"]2008 Finals Lakers v.s Celtics Result = Same would happen to the 95-96 Bulls if they faced a 1985-86 Celtics[/COLOR]
* In the Case of the Bulls. The Bulls can only assure one spot in the Game Matchups of [COLOR="Blue"]Total Ownership by Jordan[/COLOR] = that is [COLOR="Red"]Jordan vs Ainge/DJ[/COLOR].
[COLOR="DarkRed"]Harper vs Ainge is a Ballanced Won.[/COLOR]
The Rest of the Matchups:
Bird vs Pippen: [COLOR="DarkGreen"]Bird Wins[/COLOR]
McHale vs Rodman: [COLOR="darkgreen"]Mchale Wins[/COLOR]
Parish vs Bulls Center=[COLOR="DarkGreen"] Parish[/COLOR] [COLOR="Blue"]Total Ownership![/COLOR]
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The 1995-96 Bulls Have "Very Little Chances" of Beating a 1984-85/1986-87 Lakers and
Pretty Much "No Chance" in Beating a 1985-86 Celtics (Greatest Team Ever)
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Re: great Scottie Pippen interview about 1995-1996 Chicago Bulls
Originally Posted by Sir Charles
[COLOR="Black"]1984-85/1986-87 Lakers vs 1995-96 Bulls = Lakers in 7
1986-86 Celtics vs 1995-96 Bulls = Celtics in 6[/COLOR]
Read this and Learn Why:
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Some Basketball Laws:
LAW 1: [COLOR="Red"]A Great Offensive and Defensive Perimeter Oriented Back Court Team with a Good Defensive Frontline but A Bad to Average Offensive Frontline (The 90s Bulls) can Beat A Team that has: an "Average to Bad Offensive/Defensive Frontline" and an "Good, Average or Bad" Offensive/Defensisve Backcourt
= Most of the 1990s Teams the Bulls faced [/COLOR]
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LAW 2: [COLOR="red"] A Great Offensive and Defensive Perimeter Oriented Back Court Team with a Good Defensive Frontline but A Bad to Average Offensive Frontline (The 90s Bulls)[/COLOR] will have A Hard Time Beating [COLOR="Blue"]A Team that has: a "Great Defensive Frontline" and a "Great Defensive Backcourt" but with a "Bad Offensive Frontline" and Good "Offensive Backcourt"
= 1980s Pistons (owned the Bulls from 1984 to 1990) [/COLOR]
[COLOR="blue"]*With Adrian Dantley they would have had not a "Good Offensive Backcourt" but a "Great Offensive Backcourt". So that would have persented even more trouble for the Bulls...
...As it did from 1987 to 1989 :) [/COLOR]
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LAW 3: [COLOR="Red"]A Great Offensive and Defensive Perimeter Oriented Back Court Team with a Good Defensive Frontline but A Bad to Average Offensive Frontline (The 90s Bulls)[/COLOR] will have even a harder time Beating A[COLOR="Navy"] Team that has: a "Great Defensive Frontline" and a "Great Defensive Backcourt" with an "Average to Good Offensive Frontline" and an "Average to Bad Offensive Backcourt"
= Early 1990s Knicks (took them To Game 7 in 1992)
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*The Knicks Just Needed an Offensive Weopon (apart from Ewing) in either one of their Frontline Forward Spots.:)[/COLOR]
LAW 4:[COLOR="Red"] "A Great Offensive and Defensive Perimeter Oriented Back Court Team" with a "Good Defensive Frontline" but "A Bad to Average Offensive Frontline" (The 90s Bulls)[/COLOR]Most Probably Not Win Over A [COLOR="DarkRed"]Team that has: a "Good Defensive Frontline" and a "Great Offense Frontline" with an "Average to Good Defensive Backcourt" and "A Great Offensive Backcourt"
=1980s Showtime Lakers. Especially the 1985 to 1987 Lakers with Kareem-Magic and Worthy together plus their Supporting Casts of Scott, Thompson, Cooper, Green, Rambis.[/COLOR]
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Finally....
LAW 5: [COLOR="red"]"A Great Offensive and Defensive Perimeter Oriented Back Court Team" with a "Good Defensive Frontline" but "A Bad to Average Offensive Frontline" (The 90s Bulls)[/COLOR] Has No No Chance [COLOR="DarkGreen"] In Beating A Team that has: a "Great Defensive Frontline" and a "Great Offensive Frontline with "Good Offensive Backcourt" and an "Great Defensive Backcourt"
=1986 Celtics with McHale-Bird-Parish-Walton-Ainge-DJ-Kite-Wedman, Siesting.[/COLOR]
The only way fro the Bulls to try to win some games is quite simple:
Locate Pippen as the PG for Most of the Game and Kukoc at the SF for Most of the game. This way with Kukoc and Pippen both in you would have more Scoring Possibilites but then again with No Pippen in the SF spot = you would have a WEAKER DEFENSE for the Likes of Bird-McHale-Parish and Walton ([COLOR="DarkGreen"]Yes the Celtics Strenght = Frontline Offense and Defense[/COLOR]!).
If you put Harper in for Pippen as a PG and Pippen as the SF for Most of the Game you will
[COLOR="Blue"]1st- Loose Creative Possibilities to make the Frontline Offense Score and
2nd- Consume Pippen. Whom cannot asoume the role of trying to:
1st: Try to Stop: Larry Bird!
2nd: Become the Second Scoring Threat after Jordan,
3rd: Rebound over Bird-McHale-Parish-Walton and
4th: Create as a Point-Forward.
= Simply To much Load for Pip.[/COLOR]
Matchups
[COLOR="Blue"]Backcourt:[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Jordan vs Ainge/DJ: Jordan Would Own Danny Ainge Offensively but still would not prevent him from Scoring Outside Shots.
(JORDAN WINS!) [/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkRed"]Harper vs Ainge: Both will go at it with Harper having the edge in his Drives but then again this is Prime Ainge and Old Harper
(Ballanced Match Up)[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Blue"]Frontline[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]McHale vs Rodman : Rodman Would get Owned by a 1986 McHale Offensively and Defensively. Rodman will only Outrebound McHale but would Not Stop Him from Scoring Nor Score on Him.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=rodmade01
Mchale: 22.5 PPG (57.9% FG), 8.8 RPG; 1.5 BPG vs Rodman.
This is counting stats from 1990-91 to 1992-93 = A 33 to 35 year old Mchale not a Prime 1985-86 McHale at age: 28!
(McHALE WINS!)[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]Bird vs Pippen-Kukoc. Bird would own both of them Offensively and Rebounding Wise. None will Prevent Bird from owning the Boards, Posting Up for his 12-15 Jumpers, Scoring in other ways and Making Great Passes for Parish-McHale-Walton or even spoting up DJ or Ainge for Open Shots after Pick & Rolls made by the Frontline.
Pippen will Challange Bird in the Perimeter but Bird always will do what he used to do against faster players. Just wait closer to his Frontline to assure rebounds waiting for Pippen to Shoot from the Outside, which = Pippen`s Not a Reliable Open Shooter.
Kukoc will Challange Bird in the Post but then then again Bird will have an easier time Offensively with Kukoc than with Pippen (because Pippen is obviously a better Defender).
Reminder***Bird owned Pippen from 1988 to 1992[/COLOR]
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=pippesc01
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]But remember this time we are talking not about a 31 to 35 year old Bird but a Prime 23 to 29 year old Bird. And yes Before his injury in 1989
(BIRD WINS!)
Parish vs Bulls Center: Any Bull`s Center would get Owned by a 1986 Parish both Offensively and Defensively.
(PARISH WINS!)
Then agin if Rodman needs a Pounding, The Celtics will just put in Walton for a Twin Tower System with Parish and McHale, putting Bird as a SG for some minutes and then later put in 6`11 ft and 250 lbs Greg Kite = A Dennis Rodman like type agressive Paint Player that was famous for brawls. Not to mention the guy was a 9.3 R.P/36 Minutes. [/COLOR]
RESUME OF THE LAWS:
"A Great Frontline (Composed of 3 Players) Will Always Own a Good/Great Backcourt (Composed of 2 Players) " .
Examples:
[COLOR="Blue"]2008 Finals Lakers v.s Celtics Result = Same would happen to the 95-96 Bulls if they faced a 1985-86 Celtics[/COLOR]
* In the Case of the Bulls. The Bulls can only assure one spot in the Game Matchups of [COLOR="Blue"]Total Ownership by Jordan[/COLOR] = that is [COLOR="Red"]Jordan vs Ainge/DJ[/COLOR].
[COLOR="DarkRed"]Harper vs Ainge is a Ballanced Won.[/COLOR]
The Rest of the Matchups:
Bird vs Pippen: [COLOR="DarkGreen"]Bird Wins[/COLOR]
McHale vs Rodman: [COLOR="darkgreen"]Mchale Wins[/COLOR]
Parish vs Bulls Center=[COLOR="DarkGreen"] Parish[/COLOR] [COLOR="Blue"]Total Ownership![/COLOR]
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The 1995-96 Bulls Have "Very Little Chances" of Beating a 1984-85/1986-87 Lakers and
Pretty Much "No Chance" in Beating a 1985-86 Celtics (Greatest Team Ever)
Well gee thanks professor.
Problem with all your formulas is real basketball doesn't work like that. Maybe in a video game, but not in real life.
The Lakers/Celtics would not be able to run their offense in the same way versus the Bulls defense. You're not going to run n' gun fast break versus that Bulls team.
They had problems versus the Bad Boy Pistons as is and the Bulls developed into an even better defensive and offensive team. If you think it would be some kind of rout you would woefully mistaken, just like all the people who picked the Lakers to beat the Celtics because their roster looked sexier on paper going in to that series (or again Lakers-Detroit in 2004).
Last edited by Soundwave; 08-13-2008 at 08:00 PM.
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Re: great Scottie Pippen interview about 1995-1996 Chicago Bulls
Originally Posted by Soundwave
Well gee thanks professor.
Problem with all your formulas is real basketball doesn't work like that. Maybe in a video game, but not in real life.
The Lakers/Celtics would not be able to run their offense in the same way versus the Bulls defense. You're not going to run n' gun fast break versus that Bulls team.
They had problems versus the Bad Boy Pistons as is and the Bulls developed into an even better defensive and offensive team. If you think it would be some kind of rout you would woefully mistaken, just like all the people who picked the Lakers to beat the Celtics because their roster looked sexier on paper going in to that series (or again Lakers-Detroit in 2004).
The Celtics Front Court would rape that weak bulls front court.
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Re: great Scottie Pippen interview about 1995-1996 Chicago Bulls
Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers
The Celtics Front Court would rape that weak bulls front court.
You mean the same way the Celtics Front Court "raped" the Bad Boys Pistons front court? See on paper that's what should happen ... in reality we know that it didn't.
It's not like the Pistons front court was an All-Star team either.
This maybe taboo to say, but **** it, even a 4th year Shaquille O' Neal was a tougher cover than anyone the Celtics had on their front court in '86.
Last edited by Soundwave; 08-13-2008 at 08:22 PM.
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Re: great Scottie Pippen interview about 1995-1996 Chicago Bulls
Originally Posted by Soundwave
You mean the same way the Celtics Front Court "raped" the Bad Boys Pistons front court? See on paper that's what should happen ... in reality we know that it didn't.
It's not like the Pistons front court was an All-Star team either.
This maybe taboo to say, but **** it, even a 4th year Shaquille O' Neal was a tougher cover than anyone the Celtics had on their front court in '86.
Bill Walton wasn't playing for Boston when they played the Pistons in '87 and '88.
And Kevin McHale was dominating the Bad Boys Pistons frontcourt from '87 - '88.
Kevin McHale vs Bad Boys Pistons
'87 Season
1. 37 Points...12 Rebounds...60 FG%
2. 38 Points....14 Rebounds... 71 FG%
3. 22 Points...10 Rebounds... 50 FG%
4. 25 Points...10 Rebounds... 50 FG%
'88 Season
1. 20 Points...9 Rebounds...67 FG%
2. 31 Points...7 Rebounds...69 FG%
3. 20 Points...3 Rebounds....53 FG%
4. 33 Points...11 Rebounds...62 FG%
5. 29 Points...11 Rebounds...63 FG%
6. 33 Points..7 Rebounds...87 FG%
Besides..The Pistons Frontcourt was better than the Bulls Front Court.
Laimbeer, Mahorn, Rodman >>>>>> Longley, Wennington, Rodman
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Re: great Scottie Pippen interview about 1995-1996 Chicago Bulls
Originally Posted by Soundwave
Bulls in six over both the Celtics and Lakers.
The Bulls would put Pippen on Magic or Bird and that would completely disrupt their entire "run n' gun" offense and it would change the entire game. Jordan and Rodman would then be further create chaos on the defensive end.
The Celtics and Lakers both had problems versus Detroit and the Bulls were every bit as good defensively, probably even better because they were more athletic.
Dumars at 6'4 simply can't do the things Pippen at 6'7 could do defensively.
The Celtics interior defense was so good that it got shredded to 63 points by a 2nd year Michael Jordan on their own home floor. The Celtics wouldn't be able to do anything to stop Jordan. Or even Pippen IMO (he would get his 20+ too offsetting a lot of Bird's offense).
This tells me how little you know about the '86 Celtics. The 1986 Celtics had one of the greatest if not the greatest Half Court Offense in History. In no way did they depend on their fast break offense to win games.
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Re: great Scottie Pippen interview about 1995-1996 Chicago Bulls
Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers
This tells me how little you know about the '86 Celtics. The 1986 Celtics had one of the greatest if not the greatest Half Court Offense in History. In no way did they depend on their fast break offense to win games.
The way I look at it, the Bad Boy Pistons played the Lakers/Celtics pretty close to even and eventually became better than them.
I place the 95-96 Bulls above the Bad Boy Pistons.
Besides, when people say "oh Chicago wasn't as talented" .... well that Bulls team was built in the expansion era where one team really couldn't stockpile that much talent.
If that same Bulls core had access to better role players available in pre-expansion 80s, they would wipe the floor with the Celtics or Lakers.
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Re: great Scottie Pippen interview about 1995-1996 Chicago Bulls
Originally Posted by Soundwave
The way I look at it, the Bad Boy Pistons played the Lakers/Celtics pretty close to even and eventually became better than them.
I place the 95-96 Bulls above the Bad Boy Pistons.
We are not talking about the '87 or '88 Celtics we are talking about the '86 Celtics. And during the '86 season the Pistons didn't cause much problems for the Celtics...the Celtics were 4-1 vs Detroit that year. Celtics were a different team by '88. Bill Walton and Scott Wedman were gone. And Dennis Johnson and Robert Parish aged.
Originally Posted by Soundwave
If that same Bulls core had access to better role players available in pre-expansion 80s, they would wipe the floor with the Celtics or Lakers.
Key word: IF
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