Russell-Wilt Missed FGAs in Post-Season H2H's

[Dr Hawk]

You do know Wilt's 76ers were up 3-1 against the Celtics in 1968 and proceeded to lose 3 straight right? 2 of those 3 were at home, including game 7. Here are his stats from those 3 games.

20.7 PPG, 6.7 FT made on 16.0 FTA at 42%.


Or how about 1969? Wilt's Lakers are again up 3-2 and proceed to lose the next 2, including game 7 at home.

13.0 PPG, 5.0 FT made on 11.5 FTA at 44%

We are talking about a GOAT candidate here. Where is the domination? Why SHRINK in the biggest moments?

Do you blame Kobe for losing against the Suns in 06' despite being up 3-1?

[ClipperRevival]

Better question...just how in the hell did that Sixer team even make to the EDF's that year, much less lose a game seven by four points...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...1&postcount=14

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...6&postcount=13

Oh, in what could have been a clinching win in game five, a hobbled Chamberlain, who was NOTICEABLY LIMPING the entire series, just Carpet-bombed Russell. He outscored him 28-8; outrebounded him, 30-24; and outshot him from the floor, 11-21 to 4-10. But alas, with HALF of his roster either injured, or completely missing the series, and he himself playing with assorted injuries...they lost.

BTW, after that series Russell commented, "A lessor man would not have played." Which basically meant...that NO ONE ELSE would have played under the same circumstances.

Outside of Cunningham, what other important player missed that series?

[ClipperRevival]

Do you blame Kobe for losing against the Suns in 06' despite being up 3-1?

Completely unrelated because no one expected the Lakers to have a chance. On the flip side, the 76ers had the best record in the NBA that year (62-20) and were EXPECTED to beat an old and aging Celtics team. The FACT that they were up 3-1 and lost the next 3 (2 of the them at home) makes it that much worse.

[Dr Hawk]

Completely unrelated because no one expected the Lakers to have a chance. On the flip side, the 76ers had the best record in the NBA that year (62-20) and were EXPECTED to beat an old and aging Celtics team. The FACT that they were up 3-1 and lost the next 3 (2 of the them at home) makes it that much worse.

Ok, I didn't know that

[LAZERUSS]

You do know Wilt's 76ers were up 3-1 against the Celtics in 1968 and proceeded to lose 3 straight right? 2 of those 3 were at home, including game 7. Here are his stats from those 3 games.

20.7 PPG, 6.7 FT made on 16.0 FTA at 42%.


Or how about 1969? Wilt's Lakers are again up 3-2 and proceed to lose the next 2, including game 7 at home.

13.0 PPG, 5.0 FT made on 11.5 FTA at 44%

We are talking about a GOAT candidate here. Where is the domination? Why SHRINK in the biggest moments?

You know that Wilt's '68 Sixers weren't even favored in the first round, right? Why? Because HALF of their roster was hurting. And yet Chamberlain led them to the EDF's, in a series in which he crushed Bellamy-Reed-Frazier, by leading both teams in scoring, rebounding, assists, and FG%, (and likely blocked shots, as well.)

And then in the EDF's, let's post his entire margin over Russell, oh, again, all with Wilt NOTICEABLY LIMPING the entire series...and playing every minute of it...

He outscored Russell, 22.1 ppg to 13.7 ppg
He outrebounded Russell, 25.1 to 21.4 rpg
He outassisted Russell, 6.8 apg to 4.1 apg
And he outshot Russell from the floor, .487 to .440 (which, BTW was one of only two of their eight post-season H2H's in which he failed to shoot .500+ ...and Russell never approached that number in any of them.)

Again...al playing with an assortment of documented injuries, and with HALF of his key teammates either playing hurt, missing games, or missing the entire series.

All ending in a game seven, four point loss.


And again...say what you want about Wilt's play in the '69 Finals...in his game seven against Russell...

He outscored him, 18-6; outshot him, 7-8 to 2-7; outrebounded him, 27-21; and had a higher TS% of .621 to .333...all in a two point loss (and with his COACH benching him in the last five minutes.) Oh, and subtract Wilt's and Russell's FG%'s in that game...and Russell's teammates outshot Wilt's by a .477 to .360 margin...again...in a two point win.

[LAZERUSS]

Ok, I didn't know that

They were NOT expected to beat Boston in '68. They were not even favored in their first round.

[Dr Hawk]

They were NOT expected to beat Boston in '68. They were not even favored in their first round.

How is that if they were the #1 RS team?

[dunksby]

It's well documented how Wilt was all about his personal stats. Chick Hearn said that Wilt would come over to the scorers tables at halftime and look over his stat sheet and regularly argue over the amount of points/rebounds he had.

Cousy said if Wilt had 1/3 of the determination of Russell, he would unquestionably be the GOAT.

Wali Jones said that the team was too dependent on Wilt and that it wasn't optimal basketball whereas Russell did whatever it took to win.

Face it, Wilt was a transcendent talent and truly special but the guy wasn't completely right in the head. He wasn't a killer. He didn't want it as bad as Russell and simply didn't maximize his talents.

And history is judging him accordingly.

Only GOAT candidate to have his teammate win FMVP in a losing effort
He also famously guaranteed a win before 1969 game 7 but asked to be benched in the 4th quarter because of an injury and while he was out the Lakers mounted a come back and then he asked to be let in again but Kolff told him "we are doing fine without you"

[ClipperRevival]

You know that Wilt's '68 Sixers weren't even favored in the first round, right? Why? Because HALF of their roster was hurting. And yet Chamberlain led them to the EDF's, in a series in which he crushed Bellamy-Reed-Frazier, by leading both teams in scoring, rebounding, assists, and FG%, (and likely blocked shots, as well.)

And then in the EDF's, let's post his entire margin over Russell, oh, again, all with Wilt NOTICEABLY LIMPING the entire series...and playing every minute of it...

He outscored Russell, 22.1 ppg to 13.7 ppg
He outrebounded Russell, 25.1 to 21.4 rpg
He outassisted Russell, 6.8 apg to 4.1 apg
And he outshot Russell from the floor, .487 to .440 (which, BTW was one of only two of their eight post-season H2H's in which he failed to shoot .500+ ...and Russell never approached that number in any of them.)

Again...al playing with an assortment of documented injuries, and with HALF of his key teammates either playing hurt, missing games, or missing the entire series.

All ending in a game seven, four point loss.


And again...say what you want about Wilt's play in the '69 Finals...in his game seven against Russell...

He outscored him, 18-6; outshot him, 7-8 to 2-7; outrebounded him, 27-21; and had a higher TS% of .621 to .333...all in a two point loss (and with his COACH benching him in the last five minutes.) Oh, and subtract Wilt's and Russell's FG%'s in that game...and Russell's teammates outshot Wilt's by a .477 to .360 margin...again...in a two point win.

Like I asked you before, outside of Cunningham, what key player missed this series?

[LAZERUSS]

Outside of Cunningham, what other important player missed that series?

Obviously you did not read those articles did you?

HALF of their roster was injured, missed games, or missed the entire series. Jackson and Wali Jones were both injured in game five, and were worthless the rest of the series. In fact,. Jones could only play a few minutes in game six, and didn't score a point...in an 8 point loss.

Now, do you think Russell's Celtics beat a completely healthy Sixer team in that series, and with Havlicek missing the entire series, and with half of his other players playing hurt, and with Russell, himself, limping?

Give me your honest answer.

Of course, we already know how a healthy Sixer squad and a healthy Wilt performed against Boston just the year before, don't we?

[ClipperRevival]

Obviously you did not read those articles did you?

HALF of their roster was injured, missed games, or missed the entire series. Jackson and Wali Jones were both injured in game five, and were worthless the rest of the series. In fact,. Jones could only play a few minutes in game six, and didn't score a point...in an 8 point loss.

Now, do you think Russell's Celtics beat a completely healthy Sixer team in that series, and with Havlicek missing the entire series, and with half of his other players playing hurt, and with Russell, himself, limping?

Give me your honest answer.

Of course, we already know how a healthy Sixer squad and a healthy Wilt performed against Boston just the year before, don't we?

You really are a hopeless, biased Wilt stan and bring ZERO objectivity to the table. Jones scored 18 points in game 7 and Jackson scored 15 points, both of which were more than Wilt's 14 points.

[LAZERUSS]

You really are a hopeless, biased Wilt stan and bring ZERO objectivity to the table. Jones scored 18 points in game 7 and Jackson scored 15 points, both of which were more than Wilt's 14 points.

Jackson shot 7-17, and Jones shot 8-22. BTW, Greer shot 8-25, and Walker shot 8-22 (and Guokas, 2-10.) And with that inept shooting, and not passing the ball into Wilt (which has been documented), they lost that game seven, by four points.

[ClipperRevival]

Jackson shot 7-17, and Jones shot 8-22. BTW, Greer shot 8-25, and Walker shot 8-22. And with that inept shooting, and not passing the ball into Wilt (which has been documented), they lost that game seven, by four points.

The sky is blue, the Earth is round and it's not Wilt's fault.

[CavaliersFTW]

You really are a hopeless, biased Wilt stan and bring ZERO objectivity to the table. Jones scored 18 points in game 7 and Jackson scored 15 points, both of which were more than Wilt's 14 points.

"It was a mistake not to get Wilt the ball" - Wali Jones, after Wilt only touched the ball twice in the 2nd half due to Wali and the other guards.

[ClipperRevival]

"It was a mistake not to get Wilt the ball" - Wali Jones, after Wilt only touched the ball twice in the 2nd half due to Wali and the other guards.

Yeah, I saw that part. What else is a TEAMMATE of Wilt going to say, "I wish Wilt would've tried harder to get open?" Come on man. Teammates cover for each other in hindsight, they almost always do.

2 touches in the 2nd half. So the excuse now is:

"My teammates didn't get me the ball."

This is just comedy. You Wilt fans do nothing but give freaken excuses.