Replace LeBron with Jordan, and Jordan goes 2/4

[3ball]

I really don't see anyway Michael Jordan gets to the finals in 2007.

The conference was so weak at the time, that Lebron made the Finals by averaging only 25 ppg on 42% in 2nd Round, and 25 ppg on 45% in ECF against Detroit.

These would be the worst stats of any series in Jordan's career..

In playoff battles with the world champion Pistons (Dumars, Rodman), Jordan averaged 31 ppg on 48% - he wouldn't need these stats to beat the 2007 version of Detroit, who only won 53 games and started the dilapidated Webber at center.

Jordan wouldn't win in 2015

The Cavs were competitive and won 2 games in 2015 Finals, even though Lebron shot 39% against single coverage and let Iggy get 10 ppg above his normal average.

Accordingly, Jordan would've won because he never let Magic or Drexler average 10 ppg above their norm, let alone Iggy... Nor did Jordan ever shoot that poorly against single-coverage.

LeBron was Leading scorer

No all-time great led their team in scoring for every series of their careers, EXCEPT Jordan, who led his team in every series by an average of 15.4 ppg.. Let that sink in - Jordan had the biggest scoring load ever, by FAR.

Overall, Jordan scored 5.5 more ppg than Lebron in the playoffs, with better efficiency across the board (TS, FG, ORtg) - this is more valuable and controls the game better than Lebron's 2.5 defensive rebound edge (with less offensive rebounds) and 1.0 assist edge (with more turnovers).

There's never been a #1 option that scored 5.5 more on better efficiency that wasn't considered the FAR better player - if Lebron averaged 5.5 more, he'd be on another level entirely..

[AirBonner]

Jordan's finals record without pippen is pretty abysmal. 2/4 is being very generous.

[3ball]

Jordan's finals record without pippen is pretty abysmal. 2/4 is being very generous.

Before Garnett's "big 3" in Boston, and Lebron's "big 3" in Miami, the term "big 3" didn't exist.

The term was invented to describe an uber-stacked team.

Ultimately, Lebron teamed up with 2 players who were top 5 in PER - heck, he had a 10-time all-star as his 3rd option and the 2nd goat shooter as his 4th option (rayray) - yet he only went 2/4...

If Jordan teamed up with Drexler, McHale, and Dale Ellis, he'd be 15/15.

[beastee]

If Jordan was playing today, not only would he win every finals he was in for this watered down league, but he would have an ISH account, find your post, google your address, come to your house, and shit in your throat, steal your account and post 3ball style for months.

He WAS that alpha. **** you and your dumbass opinions since you never even watched one game of the GOAT.

[AirBonner]

If Jordan was playing today, not only would he win every finals he was in for this watered down league, but he would have an ISH account, find your post, google your address, come to your house, and shit in your throat, steal your account and post 3ball style for months.

He WAS that alpha. **** you and your dumbass opinions since you never even watched one game of the GOAT.

Meltdown. Jordan's era is overrated as fvck. As soon as kobe came in (career 44% chucker) he shit all over Ordan

[beastee]

Meltdown. Jordan's era is overrated as fvck. As soon as kobe came in (career 44% chucker) he shit all over Ordan

Anything you say after posting that, invalidates your opinion. You didn't watch him play, and you clearly do not understand stats and impact. I have said it before and this post clarifies... you are the worst poster on this board.

[3ball]

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League-Wide DRtg in REGULAR SEASON:


1996: 107.6
1997: 106.7
1998: 105.0

2008: 107.5
2009: 108.3
2010: 107.6

Source: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...NBA_stats.html



League-Wide DRtg in PLAYOFFS (each year is link to source):

1996: 107.4
1997: 106.8
1998: 105.6

2008: 107.4
2009: 107.7
2010: 108.6
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[3ball]

Meltdown. Jordan's era is overrated as fvck. As soon as kobe came in (career 44% chucker) he shit all over Ordan

[COLOR="DarkRed"]DRtg, PPG and Pace were all lower during Jordan's 2nd three-peat (1996-1998) than Kobe's championship years without Shaq (2008-2010), in both regular season and playoffs, yet Jordan still had better stats:[/COLOR].

JORDAN 1996-1998 [COLOR="Navy"]REG SEASON[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 29.6 ppg.. 48.2% fg.. 2 MVP
BRYANT 2008-2010 [COLOR="Navy"]REG SEASON[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27.4 ppg.. 46.1% fg.. 1 MVP


JORDAN 1996-1998 [COLOR="darkgreen"]PLAYOFFS[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 31.4 ppg.. 45.9% fg
BRYANT 2008-2010 [COLOR="darkgreen"]PLAYOFFS[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 29.8 ppg.. 46.4% fg


JORDAN 1996-1998 [COLOR="DarkRed"]FINALS[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 31.1 ppg.. 43.4% fg.. 3 championships.. 3 FMVP's
BRYANT 2008-2010 [COLOR="DarkRed"]FINALS[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 29.2 ppg.. 41.3% fg.. 2 championships.. 2 FMVP's


Source: basketball-reference.com

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Basically, prime Kobe < old man Jordan.. Imagine if we actually looked at PRIME Jordan's stats - it's amazing how much better Jordan was than Kobe.. [/COLOR]

[beastee]

I don't mess with the stats, because 3Ball is the GOAT on this site and will destroy just about anyone, but I have the eye test and experience watching ball that you 20 year olds just dont understand. Lebron is a GREAT player. Top 10 for sure. But when compared to Jordan, it just is such a difference in style and killer instinct, you will never understand unless you watched it live.

3Ball... keep doing your thing.

[GrapeApe]

I agree with OP.

I think there's only so much an actual guard can do w. such a depleted roster. I really don't see anyway Michael Jordan gets to the finals in 2007. The pistons team had a bunch of great defenders and were really well-coached.

Jordan definitely wins 2011 finals because there's no way Dallas would stop his midrange game. Jordan wins in 2012 and 2013, yeah I'd say thats fair. But 2014 and 2015? No.

Pretty much this, although I do think Jordan reaches the finals in 2007. Wade torched those Pistons in 2005 and 2006 and that was with Ben Wallace. They were still a very good defensive team, but they struggled with ultra-aggressive rim attacking guards. If they couldn't slow down Wade with the DPOY it's safe to say that Jordan would give them serious problems.

I agree though that 2011 is the only year the finals outcome would be different with Jordan in place of Lebron. Jordan might get a game in 2007 against the Spurs, 2 tops. In 2014 there's no way Jordan is stopping that avalanche. Those Spurs were a well-oiled machine. Last season he would probably lose in 6 as well.

[3ball]

In 2014 there's no way Jordan is stopping that avalanche. Those Spurs were a well-oiled machine.

This is true ONLY IF you replaced Lebron with Jordan right before the Finals.

But if Jordan had been on that Heat team since 2011, the team would play completely differently... They would be known for super-smart, structured play more than the Spurs.

For one thing, We know Jordan was a SG and played off-ball, which would allow Wade to play to full capacity, just like Pippen did.

MJ loses in 2007 and 2015

Regarding 2007, it's amazing how people discount Lebron's 22 ppg on 35%, as if 32 ppg on 50% wouldn't have turned the entire series around.. All 4 games were single-digit affairs, including 1-possession nail-biters in Games 3 and 4.

In the 2015 Finals, people act like Lebron letting Iggy get 10 ppg above his normal average wasn't the difference in the series - that's why Iggy got FMVP - if Lebron holds him to his normal averages (and shoots better than 39% against the repeated single-coverage), the Cavs win.

Accordingly, Jordan would've won because he never let Magic or Drexler average 10 ppg above their norm, let alone Iggy... Nor did Jordan ever shoot that poorly against single-coverage.
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[PickernRoller]

3-ball getting trolled. Kinda deserves it for biting the bait so hard. Comes to a LeTard thread...gets baited intro trashing Kobe (not Bron) in order to prop up Jordan......writes walls of text that get him nowhere.

The Jordan fam needs better members when dealing with the Bran trash in this forum.

[3ball]

gets baited intro trashing Kobe (not Bron) in order to prop up Jordan

^^^^ Lies - I've been trashing Lebron posters the entire thread, such as Dray n Klay, who has been ghost ever since I destroyed his OP argument in post #13 of this thread.

[pauk]

I dont know, but he definitely wouldnt be 6/6....

[3ball]

:rolleyes.
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