After all is said and done, is Kobe...

[SugarHill]

skeptics have him outside their top 10. fvck you mean 5 spot

[zeerghit]

He's better than LeBron, which is all that matters, and the reason so many Lebron Stanleys on this forum have their panties in a bunch and write so many posts (meltdowns) about Kobe.

who said smth about lbj?

[DrainMD]

the 2nd greatest of all time?

we are talking modern era here.

i can understand the skeptics might place him at the #5 spot, but can we really say that anymore?

Explain why you'd put Kobe over Magic, Duncan, Shaq, or Hakeem?

[Straight_Ballin]

Duncan,Shaq, MJ, Hakeem is for sure better! others debatable

Hakeem is not better than Kobe.

[SugarHill]

Hakeem is not better than Kobe.

As a player? Yes he was and clearly. Kobe had a greater career.

[Straight_Ballin]

As a player? Yes he was and clearly. Kobe had a greater career.

They are 2 completely different types of players, but when you rank them on the all time list, Kobe is higher in the top 10.

[Lakers Fan]

Hakeem won't be put above Kobe by the time he retires except for a few individuals on basketball message boards. I remember when people argued that Dream was more accomplished than Shaq.

[SugarHill]

They are 2 completely different types of players, but when you rank them on the all time list, Kobe is higher in the top 10.

How is that relevant? Better never catch you comparing Jordan to anything but shooting guards

And Kobe being higher in top 10 lists is why I said he had a greater career

[pastis]

difficult to say. i have him rank 10-12, but i can understand if others put him in their top 10 def.

[AirBonner]

the 2nd greatest of all time?

we are talking modern era here.

i can understand the skeptics might place him at the #5 spot, but can we really say that anymore?

No. 14,115 missed shots. Almost a 1000 more than the next closest player. 44% career fg shooter. Arguably not even the 3rd best Laker let alone 2nd greatest.

[Akrazotile]

1. Melt
2. Down

[ShaqTwizzle]

Hakeem won't be put above Kobe by the time he retires except for a few individuals on basketball message boards.

What exactly is Kobe's argument against Hakeem?

Hakeem has better scoring stats Prime for Prime in the playoffs.
Hakeem was 10x better defensively.
Hakeem has equal or greater longevity.

Titles wise they both won 2 Rings as the man and imo Hakeem's 2peat was more impressive when you factor in casts/competition and how good they were individually.

Kobe's only argument is 5 Rings but his first 3 Rings were Pippen level Rings (01 aside).
You don't think a young Hakeem could have 3peated with absolute Peak Jordan the way young Kobe did with absolute Peak Shaq?
He got stuck on garbage teams instead... not exactly his fault.

Sorry but acting like Kobe is clear cut above Hakeem is an absolute joke.

[catch24]

As a player? Yes he was and clearly. Kobe had a greater career.

Ummm, aside from peak play Kobe was and clearly is on the same tier. Hell dude is arguably better. He's a better offensive player when taking into account his playmaking, and while he wasn't the defender Hakeem was, at his best Kobe was a lockdown 1-on-1 defender. Definitely one of the best defensive players in the game when he cared to play on that end.

at "clearly". Kobe gets underrated by try hards.

[feyki]

Modern era began at 1925 . But , After 3pt line Top 10 , there ;

1- Jordan
2-Bird
3-Duncan
4-Magic
5-Hakeem
6-Kobe
7-Shaq
8-Lebron
9-Dirk
10- Karl/Wade/Barkley/Garnett

[SouBeachTalents]

Modern era began at 1925 . But , After 3pt line Top 10 , there ;

1- Jordan
2-Bird
3-Duncan
4-Magic
5-Hakeem
6-Kobe
7-Shaq
8-Lebron
9-Dirk
10- Karl/Wade/Barkley/Garnett

No Isiah? Robinson?