2010-2014 wade vs 2010-2014 kobe

[DMAVS41]

Wade's averaged 19/5/5 on 51TS for their two rings.. worse than 2000 Kobe.

Hes been able to pick and choose when he has to play hard for 3 years now.. he straight takes off series in the playoffs. Kobe's was rode into the ground and has always been the focal point of the oppositions defense and cornerstone of LA's offense where as Wade has not.. Bron has.

Its apples and oranges in terms of situations

Funny how Kobe fans never bring that up when comparing Wade in 07 and 08 to Kobe...LOL

It's clearly Wade...made even more evident by Kobe not playing in the playoffs last year and basically missing all this year.

[mehyaM24]

Wade's averaged 19/5/5 on 51TS for their two rings.. worse than 2000 Kobe.

im saying man

[tpols]

Funny how Kobe fans never bring that up when comparing Wade in 07 and 08 to Kobe...LOL

It's clearly Wade...made even more evident by Kobe not playing in the playoffs last year and basically missing all this year.

Kobe averaged 30/6/6 in 2008 playoffs and won the MVP..

Compared to 19/5/5 ???


Wade's team got swept by a Ben Gordon led bulls team in 2007.. Kobe faced a prime Suns team. Kobe also finished 3rd in MVP voting in 2007.. Wade finished 12th....

[Milbuck]

Kobe.

[Mass Debator]

Kobe averaged 30/6/6 in 2008 playoffs and won the MVP..

Compared to 19/5/5 ???


Wade's team got swept by a Ben Gordon led bulls team in 2007.. Kobe faced a prime Suns team. Kobe also finished 3rd in MVP voting in 2007.. Wade finished 12th....

Kobe didn't win a ring in 08. You're talking about 09?
He averaged 30.2/5.5/5.3 in that playoff year.

In the finals, he shot an average 11.6/27. That's almost 16 missed shots per game...

[tpols]

Kobe didn't win a ring in 08. You're talking about 09?
He averaged 30.2/5.5/5.3 in that playoff year.

In the finals, he shot an average 11.6/27. That's almost 16 missed shots per game...

idk what DMAVs really meant by his statement.. like I said Kobe was first option and always had to go 100% the past few years where as Wade has been able to rest and pick and choose where he gives max effort.

Then he brings up 07, 08.. where Kobe was still recieving the majority of the focus of defenses and was still a first option.. Wade back then was too

But the comparison doesnt work because they were both first options back then, and the past few years Kobe's been clear cut best player on his team and Wade has not.



Heat also won 15 games in 08 and Wade missed half the season.. so his statement is really, really bizzare.

[Papaya Petee]

Wade's averaged 19/5/5 on 51TS for their two rings.. worse than 2000 Kobe.

Hes been able to pick and choose when he has to play hard for 3 years now.. he straight takes off series in the playoffs. Kobe's was rode into the ground and has always been the focal point of the oppositions defense and cornerstone of LA's offense where as Wade has not.. Bron has.

Its apples and oranges in terms of situations

congrats on ignoring everything I said. Better yet nice job ignoring the numbers from 2011 and 2012 but adding up 2013 and 2012 to make him look worse when we all know he was on 0 knees last year in the playoffs.

[tpols]

congrats on ignoring everything I said. Better yet nice job ignoring the numbers from 2011 and 2012 but adding up 2013 and 2012 to make him look worse when we all know he was on 0 knees last year in the playoffs.

You posted the numbers.. which were 27/5/5 vs 24/5/5, gave FGs when Kobe is a 3pt shooter and Wade is not.. overall those numbers are very close. Now factor in that Wade doesnt recieve as much defensive attention as Kobe on a nightly basis and it starts to swing in his favor.

Then factor in that Kobe has 4 1st all nba teams and Wade has 1.. and Kobe has finished better in MVP voting almost every single year.. and it is clearly in Kobe's favor.


Then you attempted to use playoff success to give Wade the nod when hes been very average for a top 20 GOAT in the playoffs and has ridden a top 5 GOAT to rings.. and I know the rebuttal will be But Kobe had Shaq! Yea and Kobe averaged 29/7/6 and 27/5/5 in two of those rings.. not 19/5/5.

[Mass Debator]

Shaq and Kobe's situation is different than Wade and Lebron's. Lebron and Kobe has the ball in his hand the majority of the time. Shaq can kill the opposition with 0-1 dribble while Wade needs the ball in his hand for rhythm. If the ball is in Wade's hand the majority of the time, we can expect another 2011 Lebron. Wade with Shaq will average 27+/5+/7+.

[tpols]

Shaq and Kobe's situation is different than Wade and Lebron's. Lebron and Kobe has the ball in his hand the majority of the time. Shaq can kill the opposition with 0-1 dribble while Wade needs the ball in his hand for rhythm. If the ball is in Wade's hand the majority of the time, we can expect another 2011 Lebron. Wade with Shaq will average 27+/5+/7+.

There is no way in hell Wade averages 27/5/7 with Shaq last year or the year before..

[Mass Debator]

There is no way in hell Wade averages 27/5/7 with Shaq last year or the year before..

I'm talking as if Wade had prime Shaq and Wade was also in his prime.

[DMAVS41]

Kobe averaged 30/6/6 in 2008 playoffs and won the MVP..

Compared to 19/5/5 ???


Wade's team got swept by a Ben Gordon led bulls team in 2007.. Kobe faced a prime Suns team. Kobe also finished 3rd in MVP voting in 2007.. Wade finished 12th....

No...I'm saying that you guys hold Wade's injuries in 07 and 08 heavily against him.

Yet you aren't doing that for Kobe...who missed the playoffs last year and has now missed essentially a full year.

That is the point.

In all those debates about Wade vs Kobe from 05 to present...it's always about Wade's injuries as the main thing Kobe fans point to because the numbers and play is so similar.

Yet now...you are acting like it doesn't matter and pointing to circumstances. And I just find that funny...

[tpols]

No...I'm saying that you guys hold Wade's injuries in 07 and 08 heavily against him.

Yet you aren't doing that for Kobe...who missed the playoffs last year and has now missed essentially a full year.

That is the point.

In all those debates about Wade vs Kobe from 05 to present...it's always about Wade's injuries as the main thing Kobe fans point to because the numbers and play is so similar.

Yet now...you are acting like it doesn't matter and pointing to circumstances. And I just find that funny...

The comparison doesnt work because in 07 and 08 Kobe has Wade beat by every measure because of injury problems right?

Well in 2013 Kobe had injury problems as well with his snapped achilles.. but he STILL finished ahead of Wade in MVP voting and all NBA teams.


The only way what you're saying would work is if Wade had finished above Kobe last year but he didnt. An injured Kobe was seen as the more valuable and impactful piece.. 07/08 injured Wade were not. What you're saying doesnt work.

And Wade would get the nod if he had played even average last year in the playoffs.. but 16/5/4 on sub 50TS.. yea, no that isnt giving him a plus, its a minus if anything.

[DMAVS41]

And here is the truth...

Since the 04 season (Wade's rookie year)

Playoffs

24/6/5 on 23.3 PER 55% TS 49% efg for Wade

28/5/5 on 23.8 PER 55% TS 49% efg for Kobe

Regular season

25/5/6 on 25.4 PER 57% TS 51% efg for Wade

28/6/5 on 24.1 PER 56% TS 49% efg for Kobe


Now, before you all jump on me, I'm not saying that those numbers are all that matters. Kobe is a better scorer even though he's slightly less efficient because he's able to put up 3 or so more ppg. But also, Wade's numbers are hugely impacted in the playoffs by his 13 run in which he was obviously very injured.

Wade has also played significantly better defense over that time span as well. And now the gap in terms of games played (health) over that time is closing as well. As most likely Kobe will have only played around 25 or so more games in the last 11 years in the regular season.

Like I have repeatedly said...those that act like Kobe has clearly been the best sg since Wade came into the league

[DMAVS41]

The comparison doesnt work because in 07 and 08 Kobe has Wade beat by every measure because of injury problems right?

Well in 2013 Kobe had injury problems as well with his snapped achilles.. but he STILL finished ahead of Wade in MVP voting and all NBA teams.


The only way what you're saying would work is if Wade had finished above Kobe last year but he didnt. An injured Kobe was seen as the more valuable and impactful piece.. 07/08 injured Wade were not. What you're saying doesnt work.

And Wade would get the nod if he had played even average last year in the playoffs.. but 16/5/4 on sub 50TS.. yea, no that isnt giving him a plus, its a minus if anything.

I don't care about MVP voting and that non-sense. And I already gave Kobe the edge in 13...I just said it's very slight considering one guy played in the playoffs and won a title...and the other guy didn't play a game.

Again, just using your standards from earlier debates.

Not to mention Wade's 13 regular season is hugely under-rated.

21/5/5 59% TS and he actually played defense. While Kobe's 13 regular season, while great, is getting over-rated by people like you...he was a straight gunner and didn't even pretend to play both sides of the ball...not to mention his team hugely disappointed as well.

But again I don't see the relevance as I've already given 13 to Kobe...but the gap is not big at all considering Kobe didn't play in the most meaningful games while Wade did. I don't see how that is a benefit for Kobe...if Wade played on an average team and only played offense in 13 he could have easily put up 25/6/6 or better and worn down and gotten injured as well. Just not going to go nuts over it.


Notice how you always resort back to things like "seen" or "thought of"...LOL

In 07 Wade was averaging 27/8/5 59% TS iirc...I don't care how he was viewed...when he was right in 07 he was a beast and virtually no gap existed between him and Kobe.

It was 08 in which there was a big gap, mainly due to health...similar to 11 Wade vs 11 Kobe...